Large pulls VS Small pulls... in leveling dungeons?

[YitharV2]

No one is saying otherwise. In that scenario, you had a stupid tank who thought their cooldowns were for decoration. We can't judge content based on people who don't even know the basics to their job. If you have a decent healer and tank, who rotate their abilities properly. Big pulls are still fine.

Yes, we can. If that wasn't the case tanking wouldn't be so mechanically easy in the first place. That scenario describes a large number of tanks.

[Frowny]

But THATS the reason why everyone is having this issue. The meta is WRONG. Look at the thread, SE is finally taking a stand against the speed runners and told them to STOP. How? By making things hit harder and punishing you for trying to heal/tank like you did in HW. This is good and hopefully people wake the fuck up instead of running in these dungeons like they are superman.

Incorrect. As a few mentioned, it was due to tanks easily losing aggro to AoEs. And frankly, the health difference from i270 STR vs. level gear VIT is maybe 700 or so, which is just 1 attack.

You also completely missed the point in your rant (honestly not surprising). Big pulls in ANY leveling dungeon was risky as, at any given time, someone may be "undergeared". HW 60 dungeons had big pulls because we had good gear to do it in and also our complete toolkit.

[Sylve]

And frankly, the health difference from i270 STR vs. level gear VIT is maybe 700 or so, which is just 1 attack.

Wait... What?
I just switched my i292 PLD's accessories from VIT to STR and lost 12k hp. Thats not a small amount ...

[Annah]

Oh, no, please do not turn this into another "STR Meta" topic. Hahaha.

lol :P i wont haha

[Sylvina]

White mage here:

If a white mage is geared very nicely, large pulls aren't an issue at all

However (like you said), if you just got a lvl 67 WHM (who just lvled to 67)...without that Doma gear ..I wont lie....massive pulls can be "interesting"

Especially when I see a tank wearing all STR on the right side...that ...that....that's for another topic (not saying you do this).

But if you wanna die fast...wear all DPS gear as a tank...

I hate reddit for thinking that was a good idea lol

Tanks are wearing STR gear to HELP them do their job which is hold aggro, becuase someone thought it would be a good idea to remove their VIT damage scaling.

[MistakeNot]

Tanks are wearing STR gear to HELP them do their job which is hold aggro, becuase someone thought it would be a good idea to remove their VIT damage scaling.

Holding aggro is just half their job. The other half is surviving, which is where VIT helps.

[Sylvina]

Holding aggro is just half their job. The other half is surviving, which is where VIT helps.

Only the more VIT you have now, the less damage you do, and the harder it becomes to hold aggro vs well geared dps. someone at SE wasn't thinking.

[YitharV2]

Only the more VIT you have now, the less damage you do, and the harder it becomes to hold aggro vs well geared dps. someone at SE wasn't thinking.

Yeah it was a really stupid change for a tangential reason.

I think 2 packs is pretty standard in Ex at the moment. Possible to handle more, but you need to make sure everyone is up for it.

As for your Drk, I mean some tanks are just more comfortable with higher HP. The higher HP can have a bit of a psychological effect that makes them feel more at ease and focused. Some people come from other MMO's where tanks don't necessary have a DPS meta so it may be what they are used to. It is technically the intended play style so there is nothing wrong with it. It is likely more of a comfort thing if I had to guess; of course, even an educated guess is still only a guess. Different play styles for different people.

Well, he comes from WoW so I don't think he's unaware of the DPS meta. I used to sit in tank stance and he told me that was bad. "gotta drop grit for that full 450 potency C&S" That was in Heavensward though. Yeah, I think he's probably more comfortable with it. He was saying how stuff hurts more now.

[Pells]

Tanks are wearing STR gear to HELP them do their job which is hold aggro, becuase someone thought it would be a good idea to remove their VIT damage scaling.

Holding agro is moot if the tank dies.

[Bourne_Endeavor]

Holding agro is moot if the tank dies.

And they won't, provided they use cooldowns. People really have been overstating how hard these dungeons are. They aren't.