Please do not nerf Astrologian instead buff WHM/SCH

[Anselmet]

Even though I was pretty bitter and wanted ast to be nerfed into the ground, I don\\\\\\'t think this to be the case now. Ast is in the perfect place they need to be in while sch is not. Sch is a strong healer but is hampered by being gated by most of its useful skills being either dependent on aether stacks or cool downs. That is not the fault of asts but square not realizing that this gating was getting too much and making our class clunkier. I will argue it was fine in hw bc our pets were op so the feeling of having lacking big aoes was not felt as sharply. Now with the rework I do not think square realizes that sch needs to have access to our toolkits and that the things that were not that great of a skill in hw (dissipation) and the new skills like fey union and excog are further hurting the problem sch has. This once again is not an ast problem but a flaw that is rearing its head for sch. Tweaks need to be made.

[Anselmet]

Another aether stack would make using sacred ground less painful to use bc I will be honest I do not want to waste one of precious stacks and Id rather risk a wipe. Or bring emergency tactic off cd and allow us to cast aoe heals at a steep mp price. Make excog better or make it always go off. Bc I would rather use reliable lustrate and not run the risk of wasting a stack. And if deployment had a shorter cd we could challenge ast shields without nerf theirs. It would also still allow them to have an edge bc adlo hurts to cast and would not be our go to shielding. Sch just needs tweaks and ast doesn\\\\'t need to be nerfed. Square merely got ast correct and forgot Sch. Also how do I edit on phone so I don't have to post twice

[Ootarion]

Anselmet, well said, to be honest AST really is in the best place it can be in right now with WHM right there with it, the problem is like you said with SCH. If it is not keeping up then that is not the fault of AST or WHM.

Personally I never liked how a SCH's best heal "Lustrate" (I say best because it has a cure potency of 600) is locked behind an Aetherflow requirement, as a lvl 50 SCH (before I even got AST I believe) I felt dreadfully underwhelming in my ability to keep people alive and with the release of SB that is even more so, I often times dont like playing SCH cause I know alot of it demands Aetherflow stacks. Yes I have not taken SCH into a raid, but I have reasons not to.....it is often times not fun for me...am I saying I cannot handle the class? No, am I saying the class is underwhelming right now? Yes, and as you have stated Anselmet, that is no fault of AST or WHM but Square Enix not having the foresight to properly tune SCH, as you say, the class is really clunky.

[BloodRubyXII]

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I think this is still a problem. People are trying to play SCH as a healer and expect it to be on the same level of healing as AST/WHM; when it's a mitigator. If there a problem with SCH, then mitigation needs to be buffed, that is the class' identity.

[HyperSMB]

I think this is still a problem. People are trying to play SCH as a healer and expect it to be on the same level of healing as AST/WHM; when it's a mitigator. If there a problem with SCH, then mitigation needs to be buffed, that is the class' identity.

I've said it once, I will say it again, the fact SCH has no oGCD shield/mitigation ability is garbage. Excog should have been an instant shield so we could save DPS who are about to eat something strong. Fits way more.

[BloodRubyXII]

I've said it once, I will say it again, the fact SCH has no oGCD shield/mitigation ability is garbage. Excog should have been an instant shield so we could save DPS who are about to eat something strong. Fits way more.

I agree with this suggestion entirely. Excog was a nice idea, but it doesn't fit the SCH toolkit.

[Ootarion]

If SCH is falling behind, for the last time, that is NOT Astrologians fault, nor is it the fault of White Mages. SCH ITSELF is obviously undertuned and needs to be buffed, get over it people, leave AST alone and leave WHM alone.

[dynus]

If SCH is falling behind, for the last time, that is NOT Astrologians fault, nor is it the fault of White Mages. SCH ITSELF is obviously undertuned and needs to be buffed, get over it people, leave AST alone and leave WHM alone.

Part of MMO gaming is buffing and nerfing classes until there is a reasonable balance. And sometimes Jobs get overbuffed, as is the case with AST. As has been the case with AST for awhile now. When jobs are overbuffed they get nerfed.

There is no reason, none, for AST to have better shields than SCH. They've had better shields since they were buffed late in Heavensward, and Stormblood has taken them to outrageous degrees.

So what do you propose? That SCH gets 300% damage nullification shield on Aldo and crit gets 600%? That Succor get 250%. Okay, sure, I can get behind that. It sounds kinda ridiculous in terms of power though.