Please do not nerf Astrologian instead buff WHM/SCH

[HyperSMB]

I don't really see this as WHM vs AST because truth, they are on the same level. It really is a WHM/AST vs SCH thing in which SCH is just bad.

[TankHunter678]

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I have had entire raids, even with 2 ASTs, where the only Balance cards used were the ones the ASTs came in with. Literally they never drew another balance the entire length of the raid. That is what happens when a 16.6% chance to draw what you want is at work. Even with a 20% chance to get what you want on the redraw.

People act like it is super consistent, when its not. I've even gone entire dungeons where I only draw 2 balance cards.

[Rhindas]

Well yeah, there's no accounting for RNG shenanigans. I have failed four 99% chances in gathering before, oh ho trust me I know!

But it doesn't have to be consistent. Even that huge burst at the start is more than the other healers can bring, and extra Balances are just icing. And the other cards help besides. WHM has some nice new skills though, which is probably the only thing keeping it from becoming AST/AST. The SCH scorn is wholly deserved, however.

[TankHunter678]

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I would still want WHM as main healer because they would keep everyone alive, the problem with SCH is that they got nerf nuked and are not consistent when they should be.

And while that balance burst may help, you would still be better off over the course of the fight with Ninjas because of their consistent raid wide damage boosting and high DPS. Were it not for balance then well... the only thing AST has going for it is shields and so so cards. If SCH got fixed as it should then all AST would have going for it is the cards, at which point raid leaders would need to decide if the inconsistency of buffs is worth it or not.

Cause that first big boost at the start wont help when you lacked the DPS to get past the DPS check mid way into the fight.

[HyperSMB]

I would still want WHM as main healer because they would keep everyone alive, the problem with SCH is that they got nerf nuked and are not consistent when they should be.

And while that balance burst may help, you would still be better off over the course of the fight with Ninjas because of their consistent raid wide damage boosting and high DPS. Were it not for balance then well... the only thing AST has going for it is shields and so so cards. If SCH got fixed as it should then all AST would have going for it is the cards, at which point raid leaders would need to decide if the inconsistency of buffs is worth it or not.

Cause that first big boost at the start wont help when you lacked the DPS to get past the DPS check mid way into the fight.

You are talking as if NIN and AST are exclusive. People will take both for the fact Balance and TA stack. The opener that creates is disgusting.

[Rhindas]

Oh I agree with the WHM throughput/sustainability as they're in a good place right now in that regard. But the thing about NIN is that you can have *both* AST and NIN. And typically you will right now thanks to the stacking. And you won't need the AST to get through a DPS check in a competent group; it's going to happen, the AST is just going to make it happen faster. And if that IS the problem with the group, they can just save their cards till then.

I'm curious to see how the raid goes tomorrow as raids seem to be how the devs determine the metrics.

[Hikuras]

Do we remember that Yoshi himself said we was going to nerf Sch and warrior? I remember Mr.Happy always talked about it months and months in advance from interviews he had with Yoshi. I feel like the nerf was going to happen and think alot of people missed it. Either or they might've been nerfed TOO much, but they were TOO strong before. They need to reach the BALANCE.

[HyperSMB]

I'm curious to see how the raid goes tomorrow as raids seem to be how the devs determine the metrics.

These are normal mode raids though. I bet SCH/SCH will pull through them just fine.

[Rhindas]

There's nerfing, and there's bludgeoning something into a fine paste. And to be clear, I completely agree SCH needed the nerfs. We were blatantly overpowered and could utterly break and trivialize content. Now, well...more than a bit too far in the opposite direction. We got the message!

And oh yes, SCH/SCH will get through it because it'll be designed such that any combination can. Virtually all content is. But I'm willing to bet AST and WHM will do it phenomenally better.

I should make it clear I'm 100% aware that essentially all content is doable by any combination. SCH/SCH can do anything right now and will be able to from this point forward, and the overwhelming majority of groups won't care what the makeup is. Dips and curves in performance across classes are normal and expected. This is on another level.

[Sylvaneste]

As much as i LOVE the WHM. I am absolutely disgusted and tired that almost its entire build is based around RNG. Rng on the Lilies. Rng on free cure 2's, Rng on the level 70 healing buff. I went through an entire boss fight last night. The level 70 buff only proc'd ONCE on the tank. Whm may have most powerful heals. But it is all RNG and forced Cure 2's for lilies.