Please do not nerf Astrologian instead buff WHM/SCH

[NocturniaUzuki]

I play all three healers and SCH is definitely lacking something. The nerf to Embrace really didn't have to happen, Fey Union is crap because it leaves us alone with lolPhysick AND takes forever to charge anyway. SCH needs something like Physick II with some gimmick attached to it, I don't get why it is the only healer with just one basic heal. No, Lustrate doesn't count and it sucks compared to Cure/Benefic II.

SCH only has its lowbie heal because its fairy acts as a supplement. That being said, SCH definitely needs something. First of all, locking so many of its skills behind Aetherflow is a royal pain, which makes SCH a very poor class at emergency recoveries. If you don't have the Aetherflows to use your powerheals, your party will die. Of course, you can sacrifice your fairy and gain a new stack, but that essentially leaves you with no "Physick II", as indirect as it is, and those three extra Aethers won't last long in a pinch. SCH also has poor MP sustain in bad situations as well. If everything is going smoothly, SCH will have no MP issues, as the fairy lessens the need for constant heals, and the MP restore from Aetherflow is enough. But when things go south, SCH has nothing like Thin Air to help them out, nor do they have the insane MP regen potential of AST, with Ewers and cooldown-reduced, 31s Lucid Dreaming. While I wouldn't say Fey Union is completely crap, it is very situational. The same could be said for its other abilities, but even more so. Increasing the SCH's crit rate temporarily just makes it even more of an RNG-reliant class. Forcing any healer to rely on random crits is not a good idea. Healers need consistency and control far more than they need random burst heals/shields. Meanwhile, Excogitation is one of the most useless skills I have ever seen. With the rare exception of situations in which the SCH has to move out of range of or otherwise cannot target a party member, it can be useful. Otherwise, they might as well have given us a gimped oGCD instant heal. Good healers should already be pre-casting their heals to instantly restore the target's health after they take a hit. Excogitation can act like Essential Dignity or Tetragrammaton, but it not only has a lower potency, it only works at sub-50% HP, which isn't going to help if the tank suddenly needs to be at 100% to survive a tank buster while they have 3 stacks of Vuln+.

[Aomine1992]

AST has been really good since like 3.2 so... And no the whole is not rng.

And okay, let's talk about RNG. According to you since Balance is RNG-locked it should be quite powerful, correct? Alright, so why is PI/Confession stacks so lackluster? You only have a 20% chance of getting a Confession stack... as a tank heal (which is what it is 99% of the time going to be used as) it's pathetic. At one stack it heals less than Cure. Even trying to get it on other allies is generally inefficient and next to impossible.

Lol stick to advocating for WHM because AST was baseline until 3.4 when they actually started buffing the healing potency and extending card durations...

[Jijifli]

Lol stick to advocating for WHM because AST was baseline until 3.4 when they actually started buffing the healing potency and extending card durations...

I don't recall making cards last longer in any buff, just buffing or changing what it does (Balance being strong, ewer and spire restoring resource instead of reducing cost.)

[Final-Fantasy]

Amazing how if you don't like something these days, they have to tailor it to your liking.

[Aomine1992]

I don't recall making cards last longer in any buff, just buffing or changing what it does (Balance being strong, ewer and spire restoring resource instead of reducing cost.)

Yae yae my bad I had to go look at 3.4 again it was percentage raises but I was just proving the fact that AST didn't get past baseline until some of the issues were really addressed in the 3.4 patch

[VanilleFang]

Lol stick to advocating for WHM because AST was baseline until 3.4 when they actually started buffing the healing potency and extending card durations...

AST could always extend the duration of buffs. That wasn't new.

And I'm not advocating for WHM, I'm just pointing out that Balance is ridiculous and is, ironically, impossible to balance in its current state. You were the one who is trying to come up with reason that it should be so strong, and I just countered it with something that goes against your logic.

If Balance can be strong because of RNG then so can PI.

[bloodSp3c]

WHM is the most Powerfull healer. Astro just has ballance. Thats why all people whant a AST to boost their E-Penis on FFLOGS. But Still WHM has the most powerfull healing and the most DPS on its own.

brilliant

[Aomine1992]

AST could always extend the duration of buffs. That wasn't new.

And I'm not advocating for WHM, I'm just pointing out that Balance is ridiculous and is, ironically, impossible to balance in its current state. You were the one who is trying to come up with reason that it should be so strong, and I just countered it with something that goes against your logic.

If Balance can be strong because of RNG then so can PI.

But see this is the problem with the ones asking for a nerf, most of us agree that the other healers need some fixing including your PI statement...but my thing was ask for that stuff but not at the expense of another class, balance is fine because it's not always up now if it came up frequently then I would agree to maybe lower its dps increase but it doesn't...

[Rai_Takara]

Yae yae my bad I had to go look at 3.4 again it was percentage raises but I was just proving the fact that AST didn't get past baseline until some of the issues were really addressed in the 3.4 patch

AST's only changes in 3.4 was balance/bole and celestial extending buffs from 5 seconds to 10 seconds. I believe a QoL buff as well with redraw being on a 30 second CD as well as drawn cards being 30 seconds long versus 15 seconds. Otherwise, the other poster is correct in that, AST was perfect in 3.2 with respect to its competitiveness against WHM.

[Seoulstar]

I remember when everyone considered AST to be bad and needed a buff..