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  1. #1
    Player
    Alyx's Avatar
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    Alyx Merlyn
    World
    Leviathan
    Main Class
    Dark Knight Lv 90

    DRK - Excessive Dark Arts

    Why was it decided that players want to use Dark Arts before every attack? When I'm soloing, I find myself mashing the button 3-4 times per DPS rotation, or every other one.

    The way Dark Arts was back in 3.0 was fine; at the end of a combo, or with Carve and Spit for the damage <-> mana tradeoff. Dark Arts and Abyssal Drain could only be used about 3 or 4 times, and Dark Passenger was on a cooldown.

    At that point, usage of Dark Arts was a choice for effect. Now, it's just a button we spam for damage. Why??
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    Derio Uzumaki
    World
    Sargatanas
    Main Class
    Dark Knight Lv 100
    Yea its out of control. Imo it devalues the animation
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  3. #3
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    Lannybaby's Avatar
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    Lann Devereux
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    Exodus
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    Warrior Lv 97
    If you don't want to use it on every dps rotation, or every other one, then don't.
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    Player Mithron's Avatar
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    Mithron Scarlet
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    Gilgamesh
    Main Class
    Paladin Lv 100
    Seriously, it needs reworking. At the very least remove it from Siphon Strike. I don't want to go through entire 4.0 patch cycles spamming this.
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  5. #5
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    Character
    Ringabel Memoriae
    World
    Cactuar
    Main Class
    Arcanist Lv 82
    Maybe give it charges like aetherflow?
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  6. #6
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    MoarLegion's Avatar
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    Character
    Alindalia Finrandi
    World
    Excalibur
    Main Class
    Archer Lv 60
    You're mashing Dark Arts now, but when you hit 70 and have The Blackest Night, it curbs Dark Arts usage. Its still more than we were doing in HW, but it does calm down.
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  7. #7
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    VenKitsune's Avatar
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    Ven Diclonius
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    Cerberus
    Main Class
    Dark Knight Lv 90
    Yea im not sure why they added it to syphon strike tbh, to add more choice perhaps? i very rarely get the opportunity to DA my syphon strike at 70 because i have so much more to spend it on xD
    personally i think that more choice would be better served in something like the form of a Dark Passenger that has a watered down Scourge DoT so that it would still be viable in single target aswell and also give more options in regards to how you spend your MP, while also adding a small layer of complexity by adding back in dot managaement to some extent.
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    2.0 Veteran from 2013. Just looking to be helpful. DRK is Love, DRK is life.

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  8. #8
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    SyzzleSpark's Avatar
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    Pixiline Paradigm
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    Sargatanas
    Main Class
    Summoner Lv 66
    Its an active DPS increase. So instead of just pushing Berserk or FoF and reaping the benefits, you have to press the button multiple times to get the boost. Honestly its much more engaging. Its a love-it-or-hate-it kinda thing, but its far from being a problem that needs addressed. There are far more pressing issues to worry about with the tanks and DRK right now.

    If you don't like mashing lots of buttons DRK was never for you, in 3.x or now.

    Also considering how much the job has been simplified and child-proofed in the expansion, if it weren't for actively managing your DPS with Dark Arts, cries of DRK becoming 2.x PLD would get even more shrill.
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  9. #9
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    Character
    Sakura Yukimoto
    World
    Balmung
    Main Class
    Dark Knight Lv 80
    Quote Originally Posted by MoarLegion View Post
    You're mashing Dark Arts now, but when you hit 70 and have The Blackest Night, it curbs Dark Arts usage. Its still more than we were doing in HW, but it does calm down.
    Only it doesn't, since outside of using it for defense or using it to get an easy 50 blood for Delirium, TBN is a damage loss.
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    Something... something... edginess... shadows... wait... I'm supposed to be a paragon of love and justice!

  10. #10
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    Character
    Gale Aaton
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    Gilgamesh
    Main Class
    Paladin Lv 70
    Quote Originally Posted by VenKitsune View Post
    Yea im not sure why they added it to syphon strike tbh, to add more choice perhaps? i very rarely get the opportunity to DA my syphon strike at 70 because i have so much more to spend it on xDpersonally i think that more choice would be better served in something like the form of a Dark Passenger that has a watered down Scourge DoT so that it w
    ould still be viable in single target aswell and also give more options in regards to how you spend your MP, while also adding a small layer of complexity by adding back in dot managaement to some extent.
    Dunno why you don't DA Syphon considering you just get the mana you spent on it right back unless you were incredibly low. The playstyle is fine, but after reading so much of the changes, it bothers me how you have such an active boost in damage and yet DRK still deals the least amount of damage compared to the other two tanks. (Why is the Greatsword wielder doing less than the Sword and Board class?)
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