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  1. #1
    Player
    winsock's Avatar
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    Chaosgrimm Winsock
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    Adamantoise
    Main Class
    Conjurer Lv 60

    Chocobo feedback

    With SB, I decided to break out the old chocobo that hadn't seen much combat in awhile. I was strugging killing things quickly way above my level on BLM so i thought would rework the chocobo. After all if i made my chocobo a tank, I'd have alot of time to burst without being interrupted! .... Then i find out that this chocobo tank cannot hold threat whatsoever, which is a shame.

    It got me thinking about other times that the pesky birds would cause me problems. There I am on my PLD tanking one of those 30 min fates, keeping myself alive, stunning important moves.... only to have the mob be stun immune because of all the chocobos that decided they wanted to stun the mob's cone AoE that wouldn't have hit anyone.

    At anyrate, a chocobo revamp is on my wishlist!
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    Karuru Karu
    World
    Shiva
    Main Class
    Fisher Lv 100
    i agree with the tank chocobo!

    it can't hold enmity and it dies very quickly. i understand that it should not replace a real tank, but with the current state the tank-chocobo is completely useless: it can't tank at all.

    i have a maxed out rank 20 chocobo and even with the enmity-boost food i rip off hate easily simply by healing the chocobo.

    at least let him build enough enmity to stay above healers and DDs. it's okay that he is such squishy i guess.

    however, the tank chocobo suffers a lot that the chocobos in general only scale with your level and not with your gear.

    the healer stance needs some rework as well.

    especially should the chocobo stay further away from me. in healing stance the chocobo stays only 1 yalm away from me and gets hit from every aoe. he is more busy with healing himself than healing me.

    the only stance i really use is the DD stance, wich is always helpfull, since he can't do much wrong there. he actually use his stun properly to stun casts and aoes and stuff, instead of just using it random, wich is nice.

    so my ideas for a fix:

    - scale the stats of the chocobo with your current item-level instead of the character-level
    - increase the enmity the tank-chocobo builds
    - let the healer-chocobo stay further apart from the character

    and:

    - an option to automatically use a Gysahl Green from your inventory when the timer runs out, so the chocobo doesn't disappear every 30 minutes (this is btw again something the tank-chocobo suffers a lot under, since it's enmity drops to 0 when he disappears and he will never get it back after you resummon him)
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    Last edited by Tint; 07-03-2017 at 07:14 AM.

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    Kyoko Armitage
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    Cactuar
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    Fisher Lv 50
    In my opinion you should be using the healing chocobo as a DD, the tank as a healer, and the DD as a tank.

    The complement each other much better that way.
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    Kilim Yolo
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    Omega
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    White Mage Lv 80
    Much agree.
    Tank chocobo NEEDS someone to HEAL it. Thats why in dungeons there are healers and tanks. If nothing heals a tank than tank ends up dead somewhat fast.

    Problem rises if healer is healing its tank chocobo and enemy attacks mostly healer...
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    Zita Myska
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    Faerie
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    Warrior Lv 70
    Quote Originally Posted by Kyojin View Post
    healing chocobo as a DD, the tank as a healer, and the DD as a tank
    Also helps eventually to distribute a few points into healing and use freestance IMO. Reagan Peppers are not too hard to come by if you do a few hunt marks. Otherwise, make sure the 'bo is in Tank Stance and let them get in 1-2 hits before you start DPS.

    'Bo gets pretty strong past level 10.
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    Last edited by Zheta; 07-06-2017 at 08:07 AM.

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    Squintina Nightgard
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    Faerie
    Main Class
    Scholar Lv 100
    If Chocobo was more like the pets, it'd be great.

    I want to be able to tell it where to stand
    , and to Sic it without needing to attack first
    , and to take AI off and pick skills if I feel the need to.

    Other option would be to have a ff12-gambit-like system. That'd be awesome.
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    Maeka Blazewing
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    Cactuar
    Main Class
    Gladiator Lv 90
    My own is only like Rank9, but I have talked with my FC on this subject and it was a general consensus that even with tank tree maxed out with some healing abilities, your chocobo is about as tanky as your average DPS player.

    Which is kinda stupid, to be honest. What's the point in having a chocobo with "tanking" abilities that can't hold hate off of a DPS its level, even if you're not wearing endgame gear, and is worse at taking damage than a DPS player?

    Yes, I get that they don't want a tank chocobo to be as good as a tank player (even though there is literally NOTHING in the open world where balance would be broken if chocobos Were that good other than maybe Hunts and the occasional FATE that nobody cares about), but yet if they are squishier and put out less enmity than a Melee DPS, then what's the point?

    IMO, Tank Chocobos are 100% useless. You're better off going full DD first, then Heal second and just forget the tank tree. Or, take it just for the STR boosts. But do it last.
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    Nexas Uthenera
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    Midgardsormr
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    Scholar Lv 61
    Quote Originally Posted by Kyojin View Post
    In my opinion you should be using the healing chocobo as a DD, the tank as a healer, and the DD as a tank.

    The complement each other much better that way.
    I like my birb in attack stance whin I'm a healer. I can always heal my own wounds and things die slightly faster.
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    Jordan O'niell
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    Gilgamesh
    Main Class
    Paladin Lv 100
    Agreed Tank stance for the chicken is completely useless beyond the HP buff it grants the bird.
    I only bother putting mine in Healer or Free stance. I have only ever had to use Healer stance in a few situations where I did not want the bird actually killing the target, usually because I had to /sooth it or something.
    In Free stance, he heals me often enough, 99% of the time.
    FYI, my bird has been lv20 for almost 2 years but back when the max was lv10, I spent 10 points on Healing (Skills 1-4) and the rest on DPS.

    As for a revamp, how about some dodging logic. You know, if there is big circular AoE on the ground and I run out of it, my bird should follow me.
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    Maeka Blazewing
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    Cactuar
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    Gladiator Lv 90
    Quote Originally Posted by ChameleonMS View Post
    As for a revamp, how about some dodging logic. You know, if there is big circular AoE on the ground and I run out of it, my bird should follow me.
    Or simpler yet, which would let it avoid at least 75% of all attacks:

    Have the bird attempt to attack its target from behind whenever possible. I try to face the mob away from the bird but sometimes it isn't feasible to, or sometimes I'm in the middle of dodging another mob's AoE when my mob decides to hork up some pain from its mouth and of course the dumb bird isn't smart enough to stay behind it.
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