Why PLD is not balanced.

[Nixxe]

I'm not quite getting why this is point isn't getting across. The fact of the matter is all tanks had to sacrifice skills to he role ability (or straight up lose them) but the PLD still has access to theirs, your kit still functions the same way it always has because (barring convalescence) nothing has changed about them. The point that Falar is trying to make is the fact that yes DRK can still get low blow and reprisal and such back BUT they are vastly different, there is no longer any synergy or interactions which makes the DRK kit feel a lot different.

Because that was never in contention until people started pretending PLD lost nothing. PLD did lose stuff, the same as every other tank did. Whining that your loss is somehow lossier is an asinine attempt at trying to pretend you somehow got screwed while PLD was left untouched. This isn't difficult. Stop making it so.

[Shurrikhan]

And they still have access to them with their full benefit.

Technically, no.

Convalescence and Awareness both previously had traits improving their performance on Gladiator/Paladin.

[Tila]

Because that was never in contention until people started pretending PLD lost nothing. PLD did lose stuff, the same as every other tank did. Whining that your loss is somehow lossier is an asinine attempt at trying to pretend you somehow got screwed while PLD was left untouched. This isn't difficult. Stop making it so.

What did Paladin lose? Because I'm not seeing it having lost anything. Yes, some skills became cross class, but that wasnt a lose for them. Especcially when you consider that PLD's old options for cross class were a joke. At most they lost Bloodbath.

Technically, no.

Convalescence and Awareness both previously had traits improving their performance on Gladiator/Paladin.

The cross class ver of these skills are the equivalent of the old traited one.

[Falar]

Not convalescence. Traited was 30, now its 20.

[Ayerinn]

PLD is fine. DRK and WAR damage needs to be buffed and WAR stance change penalty needs to be smoothed and/or removed. If they simply nerf PLD there will be even more of a tank shortage...

[Nixxe]

What did Paladin lose? Because I'm not seeing it having lost anything. Yes, some skills became cross class, but that wasnt a lose for them. Especcially when you consider that PLD's old options for cross class were a joke. At most they lost Bloodbath.

When you have five baseline abilities and five cross-class abilities and then you have -5 baseline abilities and five role abilities, that is a net loss of five abilities. It's not complicated. Don't try to make it so. I'm done trying to explain it at this point though. Either you get it or you don't.

[Zumi]

Pld had a lot of its abilities go to cross class skills, rampart, provoke, conv, awareness. They made us take these back to use them. So we lost our other cross class skills we had before. The ones I miss the most are protect and stoneskin. There are many healers I run into that do not use protect and before it was never a problem because I would just cast it. A lot of them will use it at the start but if you die for any reason they rarely recast it. In 2.0 and 3.0 if I got raised the first thing I would do is cast protect. Also I loved using stoneskin on myself when I knew a boss would be using a tankbuster that is gone as well.

But if I had to pick a skill I hated losing the most it would be protect.

[ADVSS]

totsly nailed it

Savage Blade Enmity effect has been increased.
Flash Enmity effect has been increased.
Marauder/Warrior
Action Adjustment
Heavy Swing TP cost has been reduced from 70 to 60.
Skull Sunder Enmity effect has been increased.
Overpower Enmity effect has been increased.
Dark Knight
Action Adjustment
Spinning Slash Enmity effect has been increased.
Unleash Enmity effect has been increased.
Bloodspiller

RIP DRK + WAR