BLM needs some love and RDM needs a nerf

[KroLeXz]

If you Nerf RDM than there will be no point to bringing a caster this raiding tier. BLM needs to be buffed and this would make SMN more appealing. RDM would still be paired with melee groups and BLM with a SMN. SMN problem is not damage per say, they need a rework which won't happen - their kit is all screwed up and not worth writing all its flaws on a thread that won't get any attention from SE.

[Maero]

I also have voice many of times nerfing one job because the rest of the jobs in the same category are left behind is not the solution. Blm and smn should get buffs.
To those that keep saying just nerf Red Mage or Sam (even though i do not care about it much) you guys do not understand at all and that fixes nothing so stop insisting on nerfing of jobs.

[RaizeGraymalkin]

People really need to stop whining about SAM/RDM nerfs.

[Llugen]

Did you read my response? I don't think you read my response.

Let me elaborate some more. RDM is literally the best class in the game to handle mechanics except for maybe bard. Short cast times and can move every other cast, not to mention dash in and dash out. Vercure is warranted given the lore of the class but too strong for the current setup of the game, if both healers die the RDM can vercure > verraise > vercure > verraise and completely carry the party, see also: broken. Lastly, embolden is a party wide damage buff for PHYSICAL damage ONLY, leaving no room in the party for other casters so that more physical can take more advantage of it, and keep in mind your two tanks will always be melee.

Need I say more?

[ADVSS]

Did you read my response? I don't think you read my response.

Let me elaborate some more. RDM is literally the best class in the game to handle mechanics except for maybe bard. Short cast times and can move every other cast, not to mention dash in and dash out. Vercure is warranted given the lore of the class but too strong for the current setup of the game, if both healers die the RDM can vercure > verraise > vercure > verraise and completely carry the party, see also: broken. Lastly, embolden is a party wide damage buff for PHYSICAL damage ONLY, leaving no room in the party for other casters so that more physical can take more advantage of it, and keep in mind your two tanks will always be melee.

Need I say more?

and theres something inherently wrong with having a non healer save the party from a wipe, when for 4 years if both healers were dead its always a wipe, no matter what? Id even be cool to see a tank with a raise someday, the "balance of power" has been incredibly stupid for a long time Holy trinity or not.

[ss_mangos]

and theres something inherently wrong with having a non healer save the party from a wipe, when for 4 years if both healers were dead its always a wipe, no matter what? Id even be cool to see a tank with a raise someday, the "balance of power" has been incredibly stupid for a long time

Bards had healer LB before 3.0 and SMN has a raise but you cant skip the majority of the cast time.

[ADVSS]

Bards had healer LB before 3.0 and SMN has a raise but you cant skip the majority of the cast time.

yeah that was pretty dope back in 2.0, and swiftcast. As I recall dot ticks didnt stop whenever you casted a raise though. And also those are the only two scenarios available to which to do so. Then only 1 in hw, now we're back to 2. But if we're hoinh back to 2.x, I mean BLM had just as much mobility as rdm does now, imo so there is that.

I mean, move a few steps pop a fire 1/Firestarter. Scathe if you wanna move more than a step after the cast or Firestarter.

In all honesty, seeing these nerf threads just reminds me, like you did. Where bards lost their LB because :i dps i want more dps" then they got bow mage. B:M whining "this job too easy it deal too much damage make complex please" and it never ends "BLM too complex make like RDM" seriously.

[Maero]

For god's sake people enough with the nerf talk. Solution is NOT nerfing one job because they screwed up on the others. Red mage is perfect as it is, now they need to buff the other jobs.
I understand having insta cast raise is rather OP but the amount of players (healers included) i have needed to raise saved wipes as other Red Mages probably can attest to the same thing.

And yes i had been blm main and levelled it to 70 as my first job but taking a break for now and have Red Mage as main.

[HoLoFoNo]

For god's sake people enough with the nerf talk. Solution is NOT nerfing one job because they screwed up on the others. Red mage is perfect as it is, now they need to buff the other jobs.
I understand having insta cast raise is rather OP but the amount of players (healers included) i have needed to raise saved wipes as other Red Mages probably can attest to the same thing.

And yes i had been blm main and levelled it to 70 as my first job but taking a break for now and have Red Mage as main.

All they need to do if make it so that it isn't 2nd strongest DPS. Nerfing it is more feasible, but buffing the other 6 classes can totally work aswell and totally sounds like something that they would totally do totally.

RDM is NOT fine where it is. What I don't understand is since everything is relative, how would making RDM 5th strongest by nerfing be ANY different than making it 5th strongest by buffing others? Verraise and Vercure and embolden can stay, embolden should also affect casters, but the damage compared to the others is out of wack all things considered.

[Llugen]

All they need to do if make it so that it isn't 2nd strongest DPS. Nerfing it is more feasible, but buffing the other 6 classes can totally work aswell and totally sounds like something that they would totally do totally.

RDM is NOT fine where it is. What I don't understand is since everything is relative, how would making RDM 5th strongest by nerfing be ANY different than making it 5th strongest by buffing others? Verraise and Vercure and embolden can stay, embolden should also affect casters, but the damage compared to the others is out of wack all things considered.

Red mage is not the second strongest DPS, although it is strong for the utility that it has, and perhaps more importantly it's simple and very difficult to mess up, all while giving it great utility and mobility for mechanics. My previous post regarding how broken verraise especially is but also embolden and vercure cannot even be argued with.