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    Quote Originally Posted by HoLoFoNo View Post
    RDM is the 2nd strongest DPS according to the aggregate scores on FFlogs. The only time they aren't 2nd place is in the 100th percentile (padded as hell) but on average they are.
    Stop using FFlogs unless you go through a large number of datapoints on the tables with no balance. It's not accurate.
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    Quote Originally Posted by PrismaticDaybreak View Post
    Stop using FFlogs unless you go through a large number of datapoints on the tables with no balance. It's not accurate.
    It was a large number of data points: https://www.fflogs.com/statistics/15/

    This is the 75th percentile, very unlikely to be heavily influenced by the balance. You can select which percentile you want to view but it corroborates with what I say. It's as accurate as we are gonna get and I'm fairly certain even SE doesn't have this much data (Unless they record the DPS of every single kill ever done of these 2 fights)
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    Quote Originally Posted by PrismaticDaybreak View Post
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    Percentiles are median scores. They use all of the data available.
    The only exception to this statistical validity are the max and min cases, where you're only taking into account the top and bottom most score, and the 99% and 1% percentile, which are pretty much all the outliers (even though the scores come from all the datapoints available, these still matter very little).
    5%~95% is statistically significant.
    (answering you, but it's a general statement about how the percentiles work; the make use of all parses available)
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    Quote Originally Posted by Galvuu View Post
    Percentiles are median scores. They use all of the data available.
    The only exception to this statistical validity are the max and min cases, where you're only taking into account the top and bottom most score, and the 99% and 1% percentile, which are pretty much all the outliers (even though the scores come from all the datapoints available, these still matter very little).
    5%~95% is statistically significant.
    (answering you, but it's a general statement about how the percentiles work; the make use of all parses available)
    The differences between amount of parses makes the deviation quite high, I don't believe FFlogs to be currently reliable.
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    Quote Originally Posted by PrismaticDaybreak View Post
    The differences between amount of parses makes the deviation quite high, I don't believe FFlogs to be currently reliable.
    Do you mean the amount of parses each job has? They're all on above 15k except for poor MCH.
    Otherwise, the "deviation" argument only works for the 99% and 1% percentiles because they cluster the statistical outliers of the data (you can argue, with merit, that this is true for anything above 95% and below 5%).
    The rest are median scores, so they're very resistant to deviation by design- and appear from the data contained across all parses available.
    (As in, the percentiles are inherent normalised in respect to all available data)

    Quote Originally Posted by Llugen View Post
    costs you TWO gcds vs having the entire party wipe? See also: broken.

    Furthermore even if embolden is apparently a 1% increase, it still pushes SMN/BLM out of favor very disproportionately, as you'll always have at least two physical classes (tanks) and running 4 casters would really be an issue for loot.
    I did this twice today xD
    It's such a feelsgood moment.
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