BLM needs some love and RDM needs a nerf

[Llugen]

All they need to do if make it so that it isn't 2nd strongest DPS. Nerfing it is more feasible, but buffing the other 6 classes can totally work aswell and totally sounds like something that they would totally do totally.

RDM is NOT fine where it is. What I don't understand is since everything is relative, how would making RDM 5th strongest by nerfing be ANY different than making it 5th strongest by buffing others? Verraise and Vercure and embolden can stay, embolden should also affect casters, but the damage compared to the others is out of wack all things considered.

Red mage is not the second strongest DPS, although it is strong for the utility that it has, and perhaps more importantly it's simple and very difficult to mess up, all while giving it great utility and mobility for mechanics. My previous post regarding how broken verraise especially is but also embolden and vercure cannot even be argued with.

[PrismaticDaybreak]

Red mage is not the second strongest DPS, although it is strong for the utility that it has, and perhaps more importantly it's simple and very difficult to mess up, all while giving it great utility and mobility for mechanics. My previous post regarding how broken verraise especially is but also embolden and vercure cannot even be argued with.

Yes the F it can be argued with. Vercure and Verraise cost you DPS, Verraise probably could use a slightly steeper cost since Lucid Dreaming and Dualcast are powerful when used in conjuction with it. Embolden is only a maximum of .75% increase in rDPS. If Vercure got a slight potency reduction maybe 50 or so and again an increased MP consumption, but not too much since DC'ing it is already nearly 10% of RDMs MP.

[Llugen]

Yes the F it can be argued with. Vercure and Verraise cost you DPS, Verraise probably could use a slightly steeper cost since Lucid Dreaming and Dualcast are powerful when used in conjuction with it. Embolden is only a maximum of .75% increase in rDPS. If Vercure got a slight potency reduction maybe 50 or so and again an increased MP consumption, but not too much since DC'ing it is already nearly 10% of RDMs MP.

costs you TWO gcds vs having the entire party wipe? See also: broken.

Furthermore even if embolden is apparently a 1% increase, it still pushes SMN/BLM out of favor very disproportionately, as you'll always have at least two physical classes (tanks) and running 4 casters would really be an issue for loot.

[PrismaticDaybreak]

costs you TWO gcds vs having the entire party wipe? See also: broken.

Furthermore even if embolden is apparently a 1% increase, it still pushes SMN/BLM out of favor very disproportionately, as you'll always have at least two physical classes (tanks) and running 4 casters would really be an issue for loot.

If one person is dead any good RDM is going to let the healer deal with it since its usually automatic for them. 3+ is usually my threshold for raising unless its both tanks or a tank and healer or any combination of tanks and healers being dead. The only time a Verraise is absolutely required is the previous conditions. And one person dying is almost never the the entire party wiping, don't be an alarmist. Embolden isn't even 1% it's a maximum of .75% and that's being generous and counting tank DPS.

[HoLoFoNo]

Red mage is not the second strongest DPS, although it is strong for the utility that it has, and perhaps more importantly it's simple and very difficult to mess up, all while giving it great utility and mobility for mechanics. My previous post regarding how broken verraise especially is but also embolden and vercure cannot even be argued with.

RDM is the 2nd strongest DPS according to the aggregate scores on FFlogs. The only time they aren't 2nd place is in the 100th percentile (padded as hell) but on average they are.

Also Embolden is closer to 1% rDPS (0.96%) which is about = to Litany + Dragon sight while RDM itself contributes about 300 more dps in a fight (being generous) while being less prone to getting screwed over.

EDIT: Wait hang on, they are 2nd at the 100th percentile. They are 3rd at the 99th percentile.

Someone did a very nice spreadsheet (nearly 2 weeks old though that gave points for each class based on these 2 fights. I will make something similar so we have a frame of reference what the world was like before the balance update but as there is no savage to use as a metric and its only been 4 weeks + its a .05 update, it really isn't going to be anything more than potency changes on attacks and utilities I reckon, but that may just be enough to make classes worth playing/not as strong relative to others for the time being)

[PrismaticDaybreak]

RDM is the 2nd strongest DPS according to the aggregate scores on FFlogs. The only time they aren't 2nd place is in the 100th percentile (padded as hell) but on average they are.

Stop using FFlogs unless you go through a large number of datapoints on the tables with no balance. It's not accurate.

[HoLoFoNo]

Stop using FFlogs unless you go through a large number of datapoints on the tables with no balance. It's not accurate.

It was a large number of data points: https://www.fflogs.com/statistics/15/

This is the 75th percentile, very unlikely to be heavily influenced by the balance. You can select which percentile you want to view but it corroborates with what I say. It's as accurate as we are gonna get and I'm fairly certain even SE doesn't have this much data (Unless they record the DPS of every single kill ever done of these 2 fights)

[Galvuu]

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Percentiles are median scores. They use all of the data available.
The only exception to this statistical validity are the max and min cases, where you're only taking into account the top and bottom most score, and the 99% and 1% percentile, which are pretty much all the outliers (even though the scores come from all the datapoints available, these still matter very little).
5%~95% is statistically significant.
(answering you, but it's a general statement about how the percentiles work; the make use of all parses available)

[PrismaticDaybreak]

Percentiles are median scores. They use all of the data available.
The only exception to this statistical validity are the max and min cases, where you're only taking into account the top and bottom most score, and the 99% and 1% percentile, which are pretty much all the outliers (even though the scores come from all the datapoints available, these still matter very little).
5%~95% is statistically significant.
(answering you, but it's a general statement about how the percentiles work; the make use of all parses available)

The differences between amount of parses makes the deviation quite high, I don't believe FFlogs to be currently reliable.