Has anyone beaten good king mog without cheating?

[BeePee]

Everyone look at their beautiful e-peen! See how it glistens!

Now look at the other e-peens. Which is bigger? Which of the people has a bigger a-hole?

The world may never truly know, but at least the arguments will continue

[kenjimoto]

Lol. Great Thread!

[wolp]

Just wanna point out no one else from insomnia is making 1000posts about world first or using arc/death/whateverelseyouwannacallan exploit other than neo manafont, i'm embarrassed to be playing the same game as this dildo much less in the same ls, hes a terrible player and an even more annoying person. Just for the record i myself don't care who got world first or game first or whatever first, in fact i didn't even go with them the first day but i wouldn't be bragging about being world first on anything much less an easy fight like this even if i had and i usually wouldn't even give a thread like this a second thought but this guy is making us all look retarded so i thought i should point this out

[Applez]

i like how claiming world first or server first does not even matter in this game, cause in the end everyone is equal. So its funny that people have to brag about killing stuff that eventually everyone can do in a short period of time. This game is so casual and junk its not much of an accomplishment imo. This game is too easy. Why even argue about it. Fyi it is funny how that ls on besaid in that screenshot took like a month+ to down Ifrit. As for neo stop posting on these forums u make us look bad. sometimes u just have to shut the flluuk up and listen to people. i iz in insomnia as well. Cheers have fun. Time to get some forum medals for my achievement in game. woops nevermind

[fusional]

Oh? to make a conjecture?

in sarcastic response to a previous conjecture. i don't see you quoting them and shaking your finger, though? if you're going to call a spade a spade, you have to do it across the board, kiddo. is that bias on your part?

Errare humanum est, sed in errare perseverare diabolicum.

ever heard the phrase "eschew obfuscation"? if you're going to cite cliches, perhaps do it in the language of the current discussion. but once again, i don't see you holding this standard to those you seem to be leaping to the defense of. so go on and do that, then, and i'll wait.

You know the difference between subjective and objective? I said i dont see objective Posts in this Thread and im pretty much right, since most of your Posts are subjective. And your are trolling yourself right now with your intentional, repetitive and harmful Postings.

subjective = me calling this post idiotic.

however, reraise is currently implemented in ffxi, and not in ffxiv. that is factual, and objective. battlefields in ffxi allow for reraise mechanics (giving you a time limit after total wipe to regroup and try again), when in ffxiv they do not (immediately kicking the party upon total wipe). that is factual, and objective. it's also factual and objective that a myriad of different linkshells across different servers have been beating the fight without exploiting, by using intended game mechanics, using different strategies (ie: different party configurations, different kill orders, etc). therefore, it is objective and factual that comparing Divine Might and similar battles to this is invalid, because they're battles existing in and based upon wildly different mechanics. additionally, it is therefore objective that it is an invalid example in intending to negate or undermine the claim that using the tactics in Divine Might means it's legal and intended to use them in Moggle Mog.

my opinion is that it is indeed an exploit, and needs to be fixed. that part is subjective. however, my opinion in this case is based upon factual, objective evidence.

now show me yours, to counter.

OR you could let it simply go and have fun in this Game. If you cant let it go, you are simply proving the Point of many People in here which are saying you are "Butthurt". Im not saying you are, but you and some of your "mates" are overreacting a lot in a subjective way.

again, you're attempting to skew the discussion. a lot of people may be easily swayed by this, but i'm no idiot. you'll have to try harder.

i don't care that we didn't get world first. i care that it was achieved through cheap exploitation of game mechanics to totally wipe the true difficulty and heart of the encounter's challenge, and that people continue to do it and continue to defend it.

i keep reiterating this countless times in the threads, and no amount of "hurrr ur just mad we beat u hurrrr" projection by the bads/trolls/exploiters will change its existence, meaning, or authenticity.

leave it to people to call it 'overreaction' to be upset about exploiting in games. i guess people shouldn't care that the Patriots were cheating while winning superbowls, and vegas should turn off its extensive and intricate security camera systems and just allow people to win however they want. enron? that's cool, guys. embezzle all the money you want.

who really cares, right? let people play any game however they want, right? who needs integrity? and better yet- why bother championing it?

i guess let's just petition SE to let us have cheat codes for infinite gil, infinite levels and anything else in the game we could ever want, because cheating clearly doesn't impact a game with many other players yeah?

who cares! just have fun!

[Applez]

^ give that man a gold medal on the forums

[Treach]

wow that was the most text ive ever seen in my life, and there is no tl;dr

[Rowln]

i don't care that we didn't get world first. i care that it was achieved through cheap exploitation of game mechanics to totally wipe the true difficulty and heart of the encounter's challenge, and that people continue to do it and continue to defend it

Because your LS is known for never going "through cheap exploits of game mechanics"? Kay. How is this topic still up? Jesus people whats done is done. Can't change the past, on to the next.

[fusional]

You're calling this an exploit based on how it cheapens the fight and how it's not the intended way to do it. Is this correct?

No. i'm calling it an exploit based on the objective fact that reraise is not a spell currently implemented in this game, and the Moggle Mog instance does not allow for reraise-like mechanics (by immediately kicking the party upon total wipe, unlike BCNMs in FFXI which gave you 5+ minutes to reraise and recover).

if the game mechanics are clearly designed to kick your entire party out and make you start completely fresh again when you fail, this tactic to essentially reraise and recover with an unblemished aggro table is clearly exploiting intended mechanics.

Because your LS is known for never going "through cheap exploits of game mechanics"? Kay. How is this topic still up? Jesus people whats done is done. Can't change the past, on to the next.

humor me, then- how has my LS exploited game mechanics? which specific situations, and how were they exploited?

wow that was the most text ive ever seen in my life, and there is no tl;dr

here's an easy one for you to read/understand: does anyone in your linkshell have anything constructive to say about this topic? if so, direct me to them, so we can have a fair discussion. in the meantime i'd rather not waste my time on inarticulate, flailing trolls.

[Treach]

nope, cause no one really gives a shit, I just enjoy trolling