Has anyone beaten good king mog without cheating?

[AshTS]

I just went through like 7 pages waiting on Manafont to respond and s/he didn't. So sad.

[Belial]

First Moogle victory for myself today, and it was legit without wipes. I think the Moogles noticed, as they rewarded me with this awkward salad fork...

[Alise]

Can someone say in this thread which does people mean as exploit? using mass ARC is an exploit or revive the dead is exploit? or there is something else even more?

[solracht]

some people just genuinely and legitimately don't see how it is an exploit (an opinion they're entitled to, though some disagree)

I'm one of these people.

First of all, let me say that I find this a pretty cheap way to do the fight, and I hope they render this strategy useless in the future. However, I don't see the logic you're using to call this an exploit. At the very least I don't see how you can be against using this "exploit" if you have been perfectly fine doing a lot of other things which by your own definition, should be called exploits too.

Unless I'm wrong, this "exploit" is caused by three specific rules:

-Sight-aggroing enemies will ignore you completely as long as you don't stand directly in front of them.
-Raising clears your hate completely until you perform a hostile action on the enemy or get aggroed again.
-Once a instanced battlefield boss has lost hate on all party members, he does not reset back to the first stage of the fight.

These things work the same way in every single part of the game (Ifrit, Strongholds, etc). There's nothing that's not working exactly as it should in this fight. It's not like under specific circumstances your dead party isn't ejected from the battlefield, or anything like that.

Let me make sure I understand why you're calling it an exploit, though:

You're calling this an exploit based on how it cheapens the fight and how it's not the intended way to do it. Is this correct?

Like I said, I agree that this method is cheap and this was certainly not the intended way to beat the fight when it was designed, but if those reasons are enough to call it an exploit, then please tell me what you think of these:

-Despawning enemies in Darkhold (both normal mobs on the way to the bosses, and skeleton adds).
-AFKing to level 50.
-Failing guildleves for extra experience points.
-Abusing enemy leashes to kill them while receiving minor damage.
-Leaving parties to avoid Links (moogle key items, stronghold key holders).

All these things cheapen their respective events, and most likely they were all unintended. Following your definition, they should be called exploits too, shouldn't they?

If you don't consider them exploits, and you simply see awkward mechanics at work, then I'd appreciate if you told me again why you consider this moogle deal an exploit, since obviously I missed something you said.

If you consider them exploits, but have been perfectly fine using them during the last year, then I believe that makes you hypocritical. In which case all this complaining and name-calling is fairly moot and pointless.


I think you should campaign for this strategy to be removed, I support that. Just because something isn't an exploit doesn't mean it shouldn't be changed, just like if something feels "wrong" that doesn't mean it's an exploit.

Taking the "I'm better than you" attitude on this issue and calling everyone who is using it a cheater, considering the state of the game and all the things you've surely done over the last year confuses me.

For example: You can't disband your groups to kill the key item NMs and then brag about how you're doing the Moogle event "the intended way" with a straight face. You're not.


Not trolling, just legitimately trying to follow your train of thought and trying to understand why you're annoyed with this. If you're just annoyed that people you consider unworthy are able to do the fight with this strategy, say that clearly instead, but don't hide behind words like "legit" and "exploit".



TL;DR: Cheap strategy that should be removed? I think so. Does that make it an exploit that is wrong to use? I don't think so, unless we're all hypocrites.

[Richard_BG]

Can someone say in this thread which does people mean as exploit? using mass ARC is an exploit or revive the dead is exploit? or there is something else even more?

ex·ploit
verb (used with object)
1. to use selfishly for one's own ends
2. to utilize, especially for profit; turn to practical account
3. to advance or further through exploitation

Goes with definition #1 - people are exploiting a bug and or flaw in SE's terrible encounter design that stems all the way back even into early FFXI.

Goes with definition #2 - people have been stacking classes since the beginning of MMOs. This is not exploiting in the traditional sense of the word its more a strategical move.

Goes with definition #3 - this is why people exploit or cheat in MMOs.

[KiraAmane]

http://tinypic.com/r/e9dyjs/5

Manafont, When are you going to complete your quest? Or your LS was only able to kill just the King? Anyone wanna count it as a win if you've only killed the Moogle King? lol

This guy is on our server, and it started some heated drama on Besaid. Thus our LS leader made this picture:

[Konsentrate]

Fight is hard, but it's winable without wiping, that's for sure O_~

[Richard_BG]

This guy is on our server, and it started some heated drama on Besaid. Thus our LS leader made this picture:

ahah ahaa this is amazing

[xxMaplexx]

This guy is on our server, and it started some heated drama on Besaid. Thus our LS leader made this picture:

haha awesome xD Grats to you guys for Besaid server first!

[mghtywarior]

ahah ahaa this is amazing

thx maple and richard ...n nice pic Kira... im sry i told u to stop aruging with insonmia in game... but this just made my day...=)

n yea.. its nice to have the community backing us up, n the person who came up with that line on the buttom is brilliant =).. cough cough...

kira..maybe u should post the pic where they try to hide the moogle on here too...