Has anyone beaten good king mog without cheating?

[Penguin]

In my opinion, the meat of the moogle fight comes when all of the moogles spawn anyways, and is about 10 times harder than getting to that point and simply surviving the song. The only real difference I see is people will be looking for an extremely optimal setup for doing the most damage for the first part, and using the "exploit" multiple classes can get in on the action because its more about outlasting them over zerging them down as fast as possible.

The meat of the moogle fight as you put it is the part between after the song and when the 2nd/3rd add is dead, most LS's using the exploit can kill 1-2 adds max before loosing control meaning they never really overcome the hard part of the fight.

The difference between surviving/controlling the fight normally the way it was intended and the exploit way is seriously night and day and unless you have killed it the way it was designed to be killed you probably wouldn't realize how much of a difference the exploit makes.

The fight is designed to be killed in 1 go that is why when all 8 people die you get automatically kicked out of the instance, if the fight was intended to have a reraise type tactic involved than you would most likely have time to raise up before it removed you from the instance.

Id agree with the Batraal thing but id say the main reason there was no outcry was simply because from what i remember none of the early kills used that way to kill him and most if not everyone just killed it the normal way, the problem now is that quite a large number of LS's are using the exploit way to kill the moogles because simply put it is significantly easier and removes alot of the dps requirements from the fight.

[Req]

Id agree with the Batraal thing but id say the main reason there was no outcry was simply because from what i remember none of the early kills used that way to kill him and most if not everyone just killed it the normal way, the problem now is that quite a large number of LS's are using the exploit way to kill the moogles because simply put it is significantly easier and removes alot of the dps requirements from the fight.

Whether or not any of the early kills used this method is a moot point. If any of the people that are sitting here spamming "oh my god this is bullshit people are cheating" ever, at any point, went back and killed batraal after wiping to him and killing a portion, if not all of his adds instead of saying "it wouldn't be a legit kill if we went back even though theres still 30 minutes left on the clock, lets just leave the fight and start over" they have lost all credibility in this argument, it is really that simple.

Plain and simple, the fight is a joke compared to what batraal darkhold as a whole was, and what ifrit was. in 4 hours last night my linkshell went from testing out setups to coming within a boot from the server after killing 4 moogles after the king spawned and I have no doubt that when we practice it this afternoon we will have the fight down. I would like to add, this is without using the exploit, and with someone who got their first and only level 50 3 days ago.