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    Eclipsed's Avatar
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    Ezariel Bayne
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    Faerie
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    Miner Lv 72

    Secondary stat priority for PLD?

    Just wondering what the consensus is now that SB has been out for a bit on secondary stats priority for PLD. I.E. Determination, Direct Hit, Tenacity, etc...
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    Asha Vakaar
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    Leviathan
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    Monk Lv 62
    Direct Hit scales beautifully
    Crit is a bit behind DH
    Det exists and isn't Tenacity
    Tenacity is literally cancer. Insert sad face for Sus/Verity/Expert sword+shield having Ten.
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    Last edited by wintercoat; 07-01-2017 at 12:23 AM.

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    Dj_Seaghost's Avatar
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    Revy Strauss
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    Gilgamesh
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    Dark Knight Lv 70
    Pretty much what he said, Str > Direct Hit > Crit > Det > SkSp > Tenancity
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    King Cadmus
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    Mateus
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    Paladin Lv 70
    People with Tenacity parse over 3000 on Susano dummy with PLD.... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SLMF12_fls4
    While people with DHIT 6s parse around 3000 as well (with more RNG needed tho since, unlike tenacity, dhit is a chance) on the same dummy.
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    Last edited by Cadmus; 07-01-2017 at 09:30 PM.

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    DRKoftheAzure's Avatar
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    Strea Leonhart
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    Diabolos
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    Gunbreaker Lv 100
    Request for tenacity to scale off of vitality has already been posted in the tank forums, all that's left now is to wait...
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    Dekent Mcdohl
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    Behemoth
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    Gladiator Lv 34
    Quote Originally Posted by DRKoftheAzure View Post
    Request for tenacity to scale off of vitality has already been posted in the tank forums, all that's left now is to wait...
    Don't hold your breath, I'm pretty sure it's useless on purpose =p
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    Kai Amaryllis
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    Famfrit
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    Summoner Lv 70
    Just wondering because this is different from what I've read, but direct hit affects tanks, not just dps like it's supposed to?
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    Furious Laughter
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    Ravana
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    Gladiator Lv 90
    Quote Originally Posted by koroko220 View Post
    Just wondering because this is different from what I've read, but direct hit affects tanks, not just dps like it's supposed to?
    It's not "supposed to just affect DPS" - just dps gets it on gear, but it works just fine for everyone.

    Similarly, you could equip piety on a dps if you wanted to, you would get extra mp.
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    Honey Hole
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    Tonberry
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    Gladiator Lv 2
    Quote Originally Posted by Cadmus View Post
    People with Tenacity parse over 3000 on Susano dummy with PLD.... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SLMF12_fls4
    While people with DHIT 6s parse around 3000 as well (with more RNG needed tho since, unlike tenacity, dhit is a chance) on the same dummy.
    That's misleading af considering
    - DH scales far better than tenacity does
    - you're downplaying DH (ie. that it's only 3000 on a good day )
    - tenacity scaling is absolute garbage (worse than parry) / he doesn't even have a lot of it / is being balanced with other stats. Balls-in tenacity melds land you at 1500+
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    King Cadmus
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    Mateus
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    Paladin Lv 70
    Quote Originally Posted by hqdm View Post
    That's misleading af considering
    - DH scales far better than tenacity does
    - you're downplaying DH (ie. that it's only 3000 on a good day )
    - tenacity scaling is absolute garbage (worse than parry) / he doesn't even have a lot of it / is being balanced with other stats. Balls-in tenacity melds land you at 1500+
    Well using the same rotation, and just changing out melds, I averaged 2,980-3060 (no food/pots) with both Dhit and Det/Ten.

    Highest I saw full Dhit 6 PLD do on Sus dummy was 3119, but he used HQ lvl 70 food and supramax STR pot cuz he wanted to Youtube it for the high record. Did all my tests no food/pots tho.

    I'm not speculating or taking side of Reddit rumors. Just stating what I observed in videos, and tested myself with millions of gil. The only thing I'd advise is avoid skillspeed (tho have a base value high enough to get a final Goring + Requ in on tail end of FoF), and if you want to do higher dps, just meld VIs over Vs of anything else.

    Tho OP is lvl 50. More info will be out by time you hit 70.
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    Last edited by Cadmus; 07-02-2017 at 08:20 AM.