Please Please Please Remove Esuna From CrossRole

[Xiozen]

.....Yesterday, while leveling my DPS, I got Satasha Hard and the first boss hits you with a mechanic that leaves you with a bit of health and if you have a damage over time (which is unavoidable to another mechanic) you will die.

A little devils' advocate: While I understand your take and frustration--Esuna isn't mandatory for healers... using your example above, and I've done this fight plenty as healer and yes I have used my ability to remove status effects to rapidly keep the person from KOing, in the same scenario the healer (assuming they know the fight) simply pops regen on everyone and prepares to power heal the person with the "dot"... I've done it for the above encounter and it does work --albeit a little risky. So IMHO Esuna can stay as it is... just adds to the customization factor--and the assumption the healer knows his/her job. =D

[silverlunarfox]

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However, SCH regen is less than good and the fairy is unreliable with heals(i main SCH) so for me Esuna is mandatory and always has been. Sure I could use selene, but it has a cooldown. SCH doesnt power heal since they keep nerfing Eos' Embrace and not touching Physick.

DS has doom effects (as do a few other dungeons) that need to be cleared with an Esuna, making it mandatory enough to always have. It also seems to be useful for Slow and Paralyze which tend to accompany mechanics that can't be avoided.

I agree with the OP. Esuna (and imo Protect) Should be given back to the healers opening up slots for more customization than what we currently has. I've talked with alot of healer mains in game about this, and everyone arrives to the same consensus. It's funny how only the forums disagree..... >.> *shrugs*

[AmelieR]

Magic ranged DPS get Erase, which is sorta a poor man's Esuna. "Removes a single damage over time effect from target party member other than self." With a bonus heal. A bit underwhelming in that it only works on DoTs, and I guess not all status effects.

You know what the real joke is there? As a SMN Erase heals my pet for more than Physick. Talking about 750 vs. 2400-ish.

[loreleidiangelo]

Tbh, I think healers got boned with the new cross-role system. You ARE going to encounter healers in duties who don't have things like Esuna, Protect, Largesse, etc. because there's not enough room for all of them. When I look at the DPS ones, most of which are either situational CC, some self-heals, and some TP restore I just get so frustrated because virtually NONE of those are "must haves" with a healer in the party, the lowered TP costs on everything, etc.

I don't know, I just feel like they took too much from healers to put into this cross-role pool, especially compared to what the other jobs "lost".

[Furious]

Most status detriment in the game can't be removed and the ones that can are usually avoidable or can be removed by doing the mechanic properly. You don't need esuna.

The OP literally just gave a specific example where Esuna is mandatory if you don't want to wipe to the mechanic that is unavoidable.

Literally, the first post, in this thread, that you replied to.

[Ignnis]

I honestly think they should have updated versions of hall of the novice to teach people how to use the different cross class skills available, have it around 50/60. "Not all people are bad" yes but unfortunately my experience of DF since ARR had been 30% - great player, 20% - eh, 40% - bad, 10% - having nightmares for weeks now. As for what skills u pick thats up to you, Im not getting into that argument but I think a lot of new/returning players need to be visibly reminded with giant flashing lights that some of their skills are gone and the role system is now in place. Theres probably some lvl 70s out there that haven't been bothered to set their role skills :/

[Serilda]

The cross-class system is a million times better as a newbie as you can have every single skill as soon as it's learnt, and since CNJ has barely any abilities any more it encourages you to learn and understand the role abilities during the dead periods between levels. It's veterans who are having to choose and prioritise core class mechanics over flavour abilities.

As a nerd, it actively annoys me that WHM doesn't have their signature white magic Esuna while Bard has a native Esuna of its own, and there's even another twist on the skill in the DPS cross-role system which is actually optional depending on how you want to play your character. They obviously only added Protect and Esuna to the new system because they didn't want to balance three different Protects or copy/paste identical skills, and now this corner-cutting makes me feel incomplete as a healer.

[Lildragora]

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Ast has enough buffs, let whm have protect and stoneskin or Benison. I would be fine not having access to those as a SCH. Gives WHM more utility, the fights should be doable without protect since it is technically an optional ability. Although I feel like Esuna is a staple healing ability and should automatically be included into our kits. What healer lacks the ability to remove detrimental effects? It shouldn't have to be an option even if carbon copied. But thats just my opinion on it.

[mooferz]

Also i can't remember any dungeon that requires "Esuna" 60-70 (unless i miss something) or is it meant to be situational now?

Castrum Abania's final boss has a pretty nasty bleed but that's probably the only time I ever used it. I want to take it off for something else but at the same time I've just grown accustomed to having it on my WHM and I dread the situation where I'll suddenly need but I didn't equip it.

[Mimilu]

I take it off if the fight doesn't need it. Susano and Lakshmi EX don't really need it, for example, as their debuffs can't be removed. :B