Job potions and newbies - let's not double standard ^^

[Claire_Pendragon]

The potions "Should" be used for alt characters or alt jobs.
It "could" be used for a brand new player, wanting to play content at the same level as a friend.

But that friend should be syncing down to help them, and if not, they should at least practice a bit, somewhat, before jumping into hard content.
(Its pretty easy to practice, and get a basic feel for what ur doing, before hard content.)

Heck, even a quick run in PotD should suffice.

Though Im not arguing its also ok to harass them over it either.

[NocturniaUzuki]

Well, there isn't exactly much reason to run older raid content for anything other than the fun of it or for completion's sake. I had a different experience from you, though, I guess, considering that I frequently saw parties going up in the PF for Coil. No one really wants to run that stuff synced especially since you still get the same rewards either way. As for niche runs, that's what makes them so niche and eccentric – they're things people generally wouldn't want to do unless they're feeling particularly experimental and adventurous. I'm sure the only reason such parties are so hard to form as things are right now is because, as I said, everybody wants to do the new Stormblood content, considering they have an entire MSQ campaign's worth of content to blow through before running out of things to do.

I understand that the fact that things are like this is the point of your grievance, but I'm simply saying that what you'd like to see is technically impractical, which is why it doesn't happen.

You demonstrate my point though. How are material rewards more valuable than doing something for the fun of it when the material rewards are all pointless and easy to get? "Nobody wants to run that stuff synced especially since you still get the same rewards either way." Either way, the rewards have no value. Heck, it's even the same for the new Extremes, honestly. Sure, you can farm for a mount, I guess. But you will very quickly build up enough gear for every single class, many of which people may not even play. After that, why do people run it?

Well anyways, things aren't likely to change unless the world has some sort of global epiphany about the meaning of life. On a brighter note, I did manage to get a party together to do Royal Menagerie with 4 players.

[Temjiu]

I have yet to run into a situation where someone played bad, and I looked at their name and noticed a novice mark. The only two situations since the XpacI that I ran into with playing bad had nothing to do with the jump potion. one was a healer that had leveled up in PotD, the other was a weird anomoly (lvl 56 tank that never did his job quest to unlock it, and was playing as a Gladiator). Both instances had nothing to do with the jump potion.

Moral of the story? I have yet to experience any environment which makes me believe that the jump potions have brought an influx of horribad players into the game. Now, there's nothing wrong with choosing to like or dislike the jump potions based on principle, but I think people are far too quick to point fingers when they have personal Biases on specific mechanics.

[HyoMinPark]

I have met some jump potion users, and while my experience with them is limited (I've met 3 for sure that used a potion because they were new to a HW leveling dungeon yet were already in 260 Shire), it has not been a good one so far. I know that not all jumpers will act like the ones I've encountered, but all 3 were tanks (DRKs to be specific), who could barely hold aggro against the party, who spun bosses and cleaved people (had one who spun Nidhogg and cleaved the party and Estinien with Nid's fire breath), and when you try to instruct them "Don't face the boss towards the group", "Watch for his cleave he does", they blatantly ignore you, even though you are nice about it.

I try to give advice when I feel it's needed; but after so many times of it just being ignored, I eventually just give up. Why waste my breath if they aren't going to listen anyways....

Anecdotal, I know. But still. I wish the game would provide some Hall of Novice equivalent for potion users so that they could go through an in-game tutorial and learn the most basic skills and mechanics. I'm certain the individuals I met were not veterans on alts (you can usually tell when a sprout isn't really a sprout, but an alt, based on how they handle certain fights/how well their performance is even at lower levels). It is concerning to be in a higher level content (take some of the Stormblood dungeons), and have tanks or healers that have no idea what they're doing, or who can't keep up with the demands of the run (compared to say the demands of Sastasha or Halatali). I know this is the case for everyone, and not just potion users though.

Just wish there was an in-game way for potion users to be taught their basic skills and basic game mechanics. Because I think a lot of us know that an unhealthy number of players ignore tooltips usually (which is awful but...what can you do).

[Temjiu]

I try to give advice when I feel it's needed; but after so many times of it just being ignored, Anecdotal, I know. But still. I wish the game would provide some Hall of Novice equivalent for potion users so that they could go through an in-game tutorial and learn the most basic skills and mechanics. I'm certain the individuals I met were not veterans on alts (you can usually tell when a sprout isn't really a sprout, but an alt, based on how they handle certain fights/how well their performance is even at lower levels). It is concerning to be in a higher level content (take some of the Stormblood dungeons), and have tanks or healers that have no idea what they're doing, or who can't keep up with the demands of the run (compared to say the demands of Sastasha or Halatali). I know this is the case for everyone, and not just potion users though.

Just wish there was an in-game way for potion users to be taught their basic skills and basic game mechanics. Because I think a lot of us know that an unhealthy number of players ignore tooltips usually (which is awful but...what can you do).

I think this is a great idea. No reason why the game can't tag you if you've never completed the hall of novice for said class, and drop you in it right when you use the potion. bad players will be bad players, but this will at least get folks to pay attention to the basics.