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  1. #11
    Player
    Inuk9's Avatar
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    Cacho'rro Dos'ventos
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    Behemoth
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    Machinist Lv 80
    Quote Originally Posted by Thela View Post
    Technically, Blizzard2 still aoe binds, sleep is a thing also, and so is freeze, but yeah close to none
    unfortunely, none of those crownd control spells are effective in raids.

    I hope that changes soon
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  2. #12
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    Arkenne's Avatar
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    Aiot O'lein
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    Cactuar
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    Rogue Lv 80
    Quote Originally Posted by Thela View Post
    Technically, Blizzard2 still aoe binds, sleep is a thing also, and so is freeze, but yeah close to none
    I did think of those but... yea... besides, even if the opportunity presented itself, doubtfully any BLM would ever remotely go out of their way to stop their DPS for the raid's sake =-=

    Well I can be just fair and add it... why not?
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  3. #13
    Player Neela's Avatar
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    Flower Girl
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    Zodiark
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    Dancer Lv 90
    You shouldn't add them... they haven't been used in AAR nor in HW and like you said most probably not in SB in any way ^^'
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  4. #14
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    Character
    Thela Ivora
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    Phoenix
    Main Class
    Paladin Lv 80
    Quote Originally Posted by Neela View Post
    You shouldn't add them... they haven't been used in AAR nor in HW and like you said most probably not in SB in any way ^^'
    Well that's not entirely true, people choose to not use them and yes granted they are very situational but they do get their uses from time to time if what was indeed talked about was utility.
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  5. #15
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    Sigiria's Avatar
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    Character
    Nergui Dotharl
    World
    Ragnarok
    Main Class
    Ninja Lv 90
    Quote Originally Posted by Arkenne View Post
    SMN:
    - +5% Damage and Heal buff onto target party member for 15 seconds every 90
    Also gives a 5% damage taken reduction on the target. But should be mentioned that the pet automatically use it on the party member the closer to it. making it a real pain to be used effectively right now.
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  6. #16
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    Exiled_Tonberry's Avatar
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    Character
    Sharl Llyntine
    World
    Jenova
    Main Class
    White Mage Lv 100
    Well, since other people already have told you what each job brings, I'll just tell you what the obvious meta party is.

    PLD/DRK. AST/SCH. SAM/NIN/BRD/RDM
    You could take the RDM out for a summoner, but with such a heavy physical comp, embolden will prove useful.

    This comp offers both a high utility and highly offensive playstyle. Now, you could take the SCH out for the WHM, which will allow AST to go Nocturnal sect which is flat out broken to shit mitigation, and should give you the extra safety net you need. Depending on if you need LB or not, some comps may even go AST/AST, but I'd recommend AST/SCH over anything.
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  7. #17
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    eagledorf's Avatar
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    Jugem Mumei
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    Tonberry
    Main Class
    Gladiator Lv 37
    Quote Originally Posted by Exiled_Tonberry View Post
    PLD/DRK. AST/SCH. SAM/NIN/BRD/RDM
    Pretty much this. The healers could also be AST/AST if you have voice chat to coordinate cards since AST is stupidly overpowered. You basically must have a NIN as they're also overpowered. SAM does well over 10% more DPS than a DRG and 10% more than a MNK so neither of the latter two are worth bringing. As for the casters, you can bring any of the three IMO since SMN has some raid utility in the form of Contagion/Devotion and BLM has the highest DPS. Casters are like the one thing that seems to be reasonably well balanced.

    Honestly the melee, ranged, and healer balance is totally screwed up right now. MNK and DRG need buffs. WHM is terrible for single target and SCH is terrible for AoE. MCN is just terrible.

    As for the tanks you can bring anything. WAR is lacking in defensive utility, but has slightly better cooldowns. A good DRK+PLD is probably slightly better than a WAR right now since they can buff each other with their utility skills and that adds up to being better than WAR's superior cooldowns.
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  8. #18
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    Character
    Ravishan Goldhawk
    World
    Cerberus
    Main Class
    Black Mage Lv 90
    Quote Originally Posted by Arkenne View Post
    MNK:
    - Blunt resistance down
    - +5% Physical damage raidwide buff for 15 seconds every 90
    - +20% Raid wide healing buff for 15 seconds every 120
    - Stun
    - Silence
    Monks silence is so unreliable and hard to use I wouldn't bother listing it as utility. It technically exists but nobody is ever going to use it in serious content.
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  9. #19
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    Aiot O'lein
    World
    Cactuar
    Main Class
    Rogue Lv 80
    Quote Originally Posted by edgefusion View Post
    Unreliable silence.
    Stun for that matter also is quite unreliable on the MNK (and they have 4).
    Anyway, be it reliable or not, utility is utility, so I'll just leave it there :/
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  10. #20
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    Character
    Sunako Kirishiki
    World
    Phoenix
    Main Class
    Pictomancer Lv 100
    In theory red mage buff is average 6% because effect drop 2% every 4 second and uptime is 16.66%. Monks brotherhood have exactly same uptime and provide 5% physical damage boost and it is doing more personal damage than red mage so would it be more optimal use nin/sam/monk/bard?
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    Last edited by Sunako; 07-02-2017 at 04:08 AM.

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