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    Please end this nonsense

    Winning isn't everything, but afk'ing and getting exp is!

    Promoting mediocrity has gone on long enough and no you don't deserve anything for coming last place. The fact you still get EXP for doing next to nothing is mind blowing, in essence you are rewarding people for actually bucking the system. I'm not just here to whine but for example in feast, winning team gets exp, losing team gets jack. Why? Because it's a competitive game. It's almost as bad as schools in the UK giving participation medals and there's no such thing as last place. So the person in first get's exactly what the dude in last gets, what kind of message does that send to anyone trying to be better?

    So here's an idea, for frontline it should be first place gets max exp, 2nd place gets half that exp and if you come third hey just because we'll whine if we get nothing you get a cute little exp boost so you can have better luck next time.

    EDIT 04/07/2017:

    WELL DONE square for taking a step in the right direction. I'm sure people will be upset they can no longer netflix and chill and get the exp they wanted. My heart goes out to you, it really does. So many good series on at the moment. If you haven't watched season 2 of attack on titan I highly recommend it. Hopefully in the future they can possibly implement an exp reward based on an individuals performance such as overall damage, kills, assists bases captured, etc. However I am MORE than happy with this change for the time being. I understand that people are upset they MIGHT lose based on their teams performance thus not getting the rewarded they wanted but hey veteran PVPers have dealing with that for years now you can too I'm sure
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    Last edited by Yoruno; 07-04-2017 at 05:23 PM.

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    I think it should be either remove pve exp from any pvp mode or only the winner gets xp, then we will see people wintrading feast for 4% exp.

    I do agree if you win you win everything, if you lose you lose and dont get anything, no partecipation rewards.
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    I agree there shouldn't be anything gained from anything less than 1st, maybe 1st gets exp + tombstones, 2nd gets tombstones and 3rd get's none. I'm in a small PVP discord of about 100 players and the general consensus of everyone is that the quality of games has been diminished by introducing the exp gain and now the surplus of AFK'ers. The sad thing however this opinion is only popular among those who play to PVP, people who play the odd game on the weekend will say different.
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    Probably from the developers point of view, not having a reward for losing means people won't queue because it's a risk and you could waste your time. These people would only PvP if everything else was worse for exp - probably the case for DPS right now. I think the exp/tomes is fine, especially for those people who are queuing for dailies, but there should be an incentive to win that's not exp/tomes or to making kicking easier to encourage participation.
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    Make a 70 bg only so 30 to 69 and then pure 70 end of story
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    Quote Originally Posted by Yoruno View Post
    Winning isn't everything, but afk'ing and getting exp is!

    Promoting mediocrity has gone on long enough and no you don't deserve anything for coming last place. The fact you still get EXP for doing next to nothing is mind blowing, in essence you
    While I agree with this to an extent let me just say if you dont have friends that will literally level with you , then right now pvp is about the only way your gona level a dps. I dont agree with people afk, but without potd this is literally the only way to level a dps job. I dont even like to pvp as much as I have been, I did simply enjoy just doing my front lines just once a day and having fun before the exp boast, but now unless you wana go crazy pvp is the only way to level a dps.

    And if we are being real then even if you are good at pvp doesnt mean your gona win every match as we are talkin about teams of 24 in frontlines. To me the problem is game design there is nothing enjoyable about spamming pvp for exp I actually hate it, there is nothing enjoyable about doing potd to level a dps over and over, SE needs to come up with better ways for dps to level instead of forcing them to do one thing.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Paragnie View Post
    not having a reward for losing means people won't queue because it's a risk and you could waste your time.
    All due respect that's not true at all. PVP was active with the garo event which didn't have an EXP award, as well as being active before that just as well. There is and were incentives for playing even before exp, titles, awards, mounts. The players who are making this queue pop now are hardly contributing or even trying to learn to become better. At least in garo people would actively try and win. Now it's like hey I really don't care if I win or lose, because I get a big exp boost so why should I even bother?

    1st place should only get exp & tomes, 2nd place only gets tomes and half the exp and 3rd place gets tomes and an exp bonus for the next time they win, similar to how it works in fates. PVP should be kept competitive, if you want exp. PoTD is there for you.
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    Last edited by Yoruno; 06-29-2017 at 11:11 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bswpayton View Post
    right now pvp is about the only way your gona level a dps. .
    I'm sure palace of the dead is more than viable. And I'm sure people in there wouldn't take kindly to a player afk'ing either.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Yoruno View Post
    I'm sure palace of the dead is more than viable. And I'm sure people in there wouldn't take kindly to a player afk'ing either.
    The problem with afk'ing in PotD is that the others cannot proceed to the next floor, therefore never end the instance.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Yoruno View Post
    I'm sure palace of the dead is more than viable. And I'm sure people in there wouldn't take kindly to a player afk'ing either.
    actually its not pvp doesnt scale with your level pvp on the other hand just gets better the higher the level u are, The thing is SE just kinda does things and they dont care the results afterwards. They new very well that by allowing pvp to give exp what was gona happen , I think they just wanted more people doing it in the end. And now its kinda ruined pvp, it isnt as fun as it was before sb, half the time u end up in groups wit no healer out of all 24 players it actually sucks. I guess when the new potd comes out then maybe pvp can get back to its competitive former self but until then the problem continue .
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