Incentives to NOT queue as DPS

[Naberrie]

Love this idea. IMO I would queue twice as a tank. More XP.

Another Idea that was brewing in the back of my mind: provide an XP token for the in need role. that token can then be applied to whatever class you would like (switch to said class, use token, BAM experience!) it can be scaled to level just like they do the beast quests and such.

Maybe if those tokens could only be used on DPS jobs, might not be a bad idea. Run the content as a tank, get the token, use it on a DPS and get commensurate exp, scaled to the DPS's level. Effectively it would be leveling your DPS by running an instance as a tank or healer.

[Temjiu]

Maybe if those tokens could only be used on DPS jobs, might not be a bad idea. Run the content as a tank, get the token, use it on a DPS and get commensurate exp, scaled to the DPS's level. Effectively it would be leveling your DPS by running an instance as a tank or healer.

Those were my thoughts too. It doesn't penalize those who queue as DPS, and I for one would queue far more often as a tank if I could benefit my DPS jobs as a result. Especially once you hit levle cap, and there's not much more benefit outside of some lore tokens (that many tanks will max out on rapidly anyways, even with no extra lore token bonus). But...if i could queue up with my tank at 70, and it would benefit my DPS class im trying to catch up...

[KisaiTenshi]

If you want this model PotD exists but if all content turned into that model I would unsub because it would be so damn boring.

Making two separate play models is needless work when the dev team has much bigger fish to fry.

Tank and healer need larger incentives and those incentives need to grow until this disparity is solved.

PotD is basically "Tower of Druaga" except with much smaller floors, and the passage is unlocked by killing the monsters, not killing monsters until you find the key. The procedural dynamic dungeon design is essentially the same as Mabinogi.

If Square-Enix wants to mess with players, whatever special dungeon they come out with next should require 8 DPS players. Let's call this "DPS Lemmings". The DPS have to get to the exit without taking any damage. Teach them to avoid AOE's.

[Temjiu]

Making two separate play models is needless work when the dev team has much bigger fish to fry.

Tank and healer need larger incentives and those incentives need to grow until this disparity is solved.

Unfortunately I think the disparity will always exist, to one degree or another. Simply put, not everyone likes to tank. They key is to reduce it as much as possible with incentives, while not going overboard on said same incentives. Those incentives need to be 1: simple, and beneficial to the tank w/o being overboard, and 2: be repetitively beneficial. a mount is great, but it's one shot. your done with the incentive once you got the mount. But an experience token for any job you may have...that fits the criteria great.

[savageink]

What is wrong with DPS getting shafted?

I really hate to say this blunt, but it is the fault of people who are DPS only mains (Of which there are a truckton) that the issue exists. I personally don't mind one way or the other as I am a healer main and get que pops in 30 seconds 90% of the time; but if the COMMUNITY refuses to go outside of their comfort zone and learn non-preffered roles, nothing changes,

Because you don't deserve more free stuff beyond what you already get for playing tanks or healers? Like reduced queue times and tanks in demand bonuses. Arguing for more free stuff for doing stuff you claim to like doing is silly. And adding additional dps wouldn't actually harm you in any way, it would just reduce the time dps are in queue. Personally, I don't care that much whether they do it. Even with the expansion my queue times on primal have barely gotten over 30 minutes at max. I just find it amusing that everybody always tries to find a way to get more free crap for doing the same stuff they always do.

[Dzian]

Maybe if those tokens could only be used on DPS jobs, might not be a bad idea. Run the content as a tank, get the token, use it on a DPS and get commensurate exp, scaled to the DPS's level. Effectively it would be leveling your DPS by running an instance as a tank or healer.

Those were my thoughts too. It doesn't penalize those who queue as DPS, and I for one would queue far more often as a tank if I could benefit my DPS jobs as a result. Especially once you hit levle cap, and there's not much more benefit outside of some lore tokens (that many tanks will max out on rapidly anyways, even with no extra lore token bonus). But...if i could queue up with my tank at 70, and it would benefit my DPS class im trying to catch up...

Seems a few people are having the same ideas.

It would help dps queues a lot though. I mentioned earlier in the thread (Click here) something like this would have a two fold positive effect on dps queue times and it would.

firstly. if players could get decent exp on there dps classes by rolling as tanks and healers and getting faster queues. then it would increase the number of tanks and healers in the queue.. positive result is that dps in the queue would get groups faster because there's more tanks and thus more groups being made

secondly giving players the option to roll as tanks and healers and level there dps. would ultimately reduce the number of dps in the queue. if 50 players want to level a dps job in levelling roulette and 10 of them decided to go tanks and get the scroll or whatever similar item for there dps. then the dps queue is already down to 40 people just from 10 of them changing to tank.

if we then put 20 of those queieng dps in parties with those 10 extra tanks then we've potentially slashed the dps queue from what would have been 50 players down to just 20... positive result = even shorter queues and thus lower waiting times for everyone. even those dps at the back of the queue. because now there significantly less people in front of them...

and everyone gets to level there beloved dps jobs at the same time. ultimately EVERYONE one wins including the dps at the back of the queue
The main thing with something like this is it would be a pretty easy thing to implement because of it's simplicity.

[Niluriel]

What is wrong with DPS getting shafted?

I really hate to say this blunt, but it is the fault of people who are DPS only mains (Of which there are a truckton) that the issue exists. I personally don't mind one way or the other as I am a healer main and get que pops in 30 seconds 90% of the time; but if the COMMUNITY refuses to go outside of their comfort zone and learn non-preffered roles, nothing changes,

If you really don't like tanking or healing then being forced into it turns what was once a pleasant hobby into a burdensome chore. Punishing people for not doing their "chores" in a game doesn't make sense when they are still willing to show up to group activities and do their chosen roll well, finish the storylines, do the quests, farm their thingy-mabobs, tough out the grinds, etc.

It's not like they are lazy or self indulgent because they chose DPS, "lazy" is a personality issue not a playstyle, and so punishing or shafting DPS as if they having been holding back or something is illogical.

[Drakkaelus]

If you really don't like tanking or healing then being forced into it turns what was once a pleasant hobby into a burdensome chore. Punishing people for not doing their "chores" in a game doesn't make sense when they are still willing to show up to group activities and do their chosen roll well, finish the storylines, do the quests, farm their thingy-mabobs, tough out the grinds, etc.

It's not like they are lazy or self indulgent because they chose DPS, "lazy" is a personality issue not a playstyle, and so punishing or shafting DPS as if they having been holding back or something is illogical.

You aren't being punished for it though. Any more than you're being punished for driving on a busy street during rush hour or going to a popular store on Black Friday.

If everyone wants to spamfuck the same thing at the same thing, there's going to be a line. There's no magical way around it.

[Themarvin]

The hype will eventually stop as it is and go back to normal 5-10min queue time for DPS...

[Derio]

If I got an xp token for my dps every time I ran content as a tank, I would run all content as a tank all the time