Incentives to NOT queue as DPS

[AphraelAmarantha]

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You are missing the point. Why should I be forced to play a role that I suck at or do not feel comfortable playing as? Do you want people to bring down groups because they aren't good at being tanks or healers or are just not clicking with that role? I really do not understand your logic. It's like saying force people to be a repair person even though they are not good at it and will just cause more problems for their customers in the future because they suck at it when they could have been a civil engineer because that is what they like doing and they are very very good at it. Besides, DPS already does self punishment as it is due to long queue times, lel.

[savageink]

What is wrong with DPS getting shafted?

I really hate to say this blunt, but it is the fault of people who are DPS only mains (Of which there are a truckton) that the issue exists. I personally don't mind one way or the other as I am a healer main and get que pops in 30 seconds 90% of the time; but if the COMMUNITY refuses to go outside of their comfort zone and learn non-preffered roles, nothing changes,

Because you don't deserve more free stuff beyond what you already get for playing tanks or healers? Like reduced queue times and tanks in demand bonuses. Arguing for more free stuff for doing stuff you claim to like doing is silly. And adding additional dps wouldn't actually harm you in any way, it would just reduce the time dps are in queue. Personally, I don't care that much whether they do it. Even with the expansion my queue times on primal have barely gotten over 30 minutes at max. I just find it amusing that everybody always tries to find a way to get more free crap for doing the same stuff they always do.

[Niluriel]

What is wrong with DPS getting shafted?

I really hate to say this blunt, but it is the fault of people who are DPS only mains (Of which there are a truckton) that the issue exists. I personally don't mind one way or the other as I am a healer main and get que pops in 30 seconds 90% of the time; but if the COMMUNITY refuses to go outside of their comfort zone and learn non-preffered roles, nothing changes,

If you really don't like tanking or healing then being forced into it turns what was once a pleasant hobby into a burdensome chore. Punishing people for not doing their "chores" in a game doesn't make sense when they are still willing to show up to group activities and do their chosen roll well, finish the storylines, do the quests, farm their thingy-mabobs, tough out the grinds, etc.

It's not like they are lazy or self indulgent because they chose DPS, "lazy" is a personality issue not a playstyle, and so punishing or shafting DPS as if they having been holding back or something is illogical.

[Dzian]

That's what I have been saying in multiple threads created by non tanks trying to solve the issue.

I love play tanks, but I can not level other jobs while playing Tanks. give me a way to play tank while leveling other jobs and I will always play tanks. AKA.. exp potion / exp scroll additional reward like Tomestone for Max lvl tanks would be nice too.

Yeah the suggestion I posted earlier is a slight tweak to things i'd said all the way back in beta when all the duty finder talk started about how dps queues would be so long...

It really is the simplest and most effective way to solve the issue because like I stated earlier it would have a two fold positive effect on dps queue times. so long as those scrolls yielded a decent amount of EXP. i.e 10% of a level

What I'd almost suggest at this point is SE release a new healer and tank class and make sure it can NOT be leveled from PotD. Otherwise it will do nothing to solve content queues..

Adding new tanks and healers won't do anything. Heavensward proved that.
Even Yoshi Said there was the same number of people playing tanks in heavensward with 3 tank jobs as there was in ARR with 2 tank jobs.

Adding Drk didn't increase the number of tanks playing the game at all. all it did was pull players from the warrior and paladin pools. the overall population of tanks was largely unchanged..

so adding more tank jobs won't change anything..

A solution would be to reward those that play non DPS classes, while not punishing the DPS players.
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2. Tanks and Healers can earn more Tomestones every week then the DPS players.
Its a WIN/WIN.

These options will reward the Tank and Healer, while not punishing the DPS. .

This actually punishes DPS quite badly. it means that they will always be behind on progression.

if you allow tanks and healers to get say 600 tomestones a week. while dps can only get 450. then tanks and healers are going to gear up that much quicker in 9 weeks as opposed to 12 for example. if those tanks used there tomes from roulettes on dps gear for there raids they'd have a pretty big advantage over dps players that played only dps

[MoroMurasaki]

This actually punishes DPS quite badly. it means that they will always be behind on progression.

if you allow tanks and healers to get say 600 tomestones a week. while dps can only get 450. then tanks and healers are going to gear up that much quicker in 9 weeks as opposed to 12 for example. if those tanks used there tomes from roulettes on dps gear for there raids they'd have a pretty big advantage over dps players that played only dps

Exactly. There needs to be something that drastic to have any hope of balancing these roles. Advantage is fair if you're willing to do something that most others aren't.

[HyperSMB]

Advantage is fair if you're willing to do something that most others aren't.

I really want to steal this for my signature. It is SO ungodly true!

[YitharV2]

This actually punishes DPS quite badly. it means that they will always be behind on progression.

if you allow tanks and healers to get say 600 tomestones a week. while dps can only get 450. then tanks and healers are going to gear up that much quicker in 9 weeks as opposed to 12 for example. if those tanks used there tomes from roulettes on dps gear for there raids they'd have a pretty big advantage over dps players that played only dps

To be fair, tanks need to upgrade their gear quite often because it matters a lot. That being said if they spend it on DPS then yeah they'd be ahead in progression on DPS characters.

https://www.reddit.com/r/ffxiv/comme...nimum/de7hr09/

[Furious]

This actually punishes DPS quite badly. it means that they will always be behind on progression.

if you allow tanks and healers to get say 600 tomestones a week. while dps can only get 450. then tanks and healers are going to gear up that much quicker in 9 weeks as opposed to 12 for example. if those tanks used there tomes from roulettes on dps gear for there raids they'd have a pretty big advantage over dps players that played only dps

Make items of the same slot that you already own the items for in a different role cost less.

X slot of slaying, maiming, casting and aiming become Y% cheaper if you own X slot of Healing or Fending.
Eg: If you own Veritial Bracers of Fending, Veritial Bracers of Aiming are now sold by the vendor for 20% less tomestones.

End result: You must buy the tank gear to gain benefit, but by buying the tank gear first you can gear up your DPS job significantly faster as your second job.

[JumperX]

Almost all MMOs got this structure. If you want to dps and dont wanna deal with tank/healer/DPS roles then go and play video games. When i was not in the mood to sit patiently waiting for queues, I closed this mmo window and play a video game. Or you can make friends so they can help you.

[The_Profezzor87]

I don't get it, it's an MMO so of course dps times are large. I purposely didn't main a dps because that's just how it is in MMO's.