SMN...and SCH broken

[Neophyte]

https://www.fflogs.com/rankings/char...3/#partition=5

This is me on summoner. To say I don't know how to play the class at a high level is retarded.

So what? You just said the same thing generalizing about everyone not having the same opionion as you do.
Also nice padded echo numbers with 70% balance uptime. My epeen on standard-comp pre echo though is bigger than yours, therefore I'm right I guess.

To miss one in a dozen runs on Cruise chaser might happen, but on the other side it was easy to be top dps as SMN whenever that did not happen. I don't see the tragedy, after some time you have a feeling for the distance a bane can reach and you should also now the Optical Sight patterns were tanks usually go further away from middle.

Further, not sure what players you've been playing with, but my buddies who can play RDM well always parse higher than me (4k+ dps) even when I maximize my summoner dps on EX Lakshimi.

Not sure what you're talking about, because I was talking about Susano not Lakshmi.
And as said, an good RDM suffers a lot more than a good SMN in that fight, depending on stuns and mechanics.
While in Lakshmi indeed SMN suffers more, esp. if you are careful with DoTs and pet and your hard-hitting oGCDs in add phase.

I don't see the reason why completly missing an Aetherflow oGCD (which is very hard tbh if you play concentrated) and therefore screwing your dps is "higher skill sceiling" than screwing your dps as a RDM because of delayed GCDs because of mechanics.
The former is more punishing but happens less, less, less often than the latter.

Aaaaaalso... when you play as SMN together with another RDM you give him Magic damage up every Minute, while he gives you nothing in return.

[CecMiller]

So what? You just said the same thing generalizing about everyone not having the same opionion as you do.
Also nice padded echo numbers with 70% balance uptime. My epeen on standard-comp pre echo though is bigger than yours, therefore I'm right I guess.

Not sure what you're talking about, because I was talking about Susano not Lakshmi.
And as said, an good RDM suffers a lot more than a good SMN in that fight, depending on stuns and mechanics.

Absolutely bullshit. Where is my 70% balance uptime? I don't have padded numbers. Any thorough check on my parses would show you this. Check the A12S parse with 3k+ dps with no AST if you care that much. And I did generalize these people because half the people who commented on this thready saying summoner is overpowered doesn't even HAVE a level 70 summoner. Just look at the 2 people I quoted. Pre-echo I just re-subbed to the game when people had cleared creator savage and was new to summoner with < 250 ilvl. Good job at having higher parses pre-echo. The whole point is to show that I am a good summoner player. Not much else.

Reread my post and maybe you'd understand what I'm talking about. So what if an RDM gets stunned for 6s where they cant dps. And RDM is still going to be doing higher dps overall. What RDM's are you playing with that you're able to outdps them as SMN on Susano EX?


Edit:

Regarding your edits: So what if an RDM can't do much more besides curing and rezzing with their extra MP? Thats more than what a summoner can do as a summoner MUST be spamming Ruin 3 to have high dps and as a result, you will be tragically low mana most of the time except in the first 2 minutes of a fight. An RDM will not go oom while maintaining their 4k+ dps. A summoners dps will tank as they begin to ruin 1 spam instead of Ruin 3 spam. With the extra mana, RDM's can make use of mana shift if a healer so desires. Asking the same of a summoner just means your summoner will be doing even less dps than before.

To reiterate my original point:

RDM offers more utility, does more dps, is far easier to play, has better MP management than summoner and is less clunky. So to say summoner is overpowered is an injustice.

[Nerisu]

It's the reason why I decided to switch to RDM. SMN has good numbers but plays clunky. But hey, at least SMN is more fun in PVP compared to RDM.

[CecMiller]

Snip.

And as said, an good RDM suffers a lot more than a good SMN in that fight, depending on stuns and mechanics.

Well lets put something to bed:
Top 100 parses Susano EX:
BLM: 3299-4295 DPS
SMN: 3344-3922 DPS
RDM: 3701-4200 DPS

Guess all those summoners must be real bad at the class. I told you SMN does worse than susano EX and the logs just prove me right. RDM needs nerfs or SMN needs some changes to help it do better. Those saying summoner is overpowered in this thread have no clue what they're talking about.

[Brinzy]

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No amount of proof is good enough for these people. As long as they like the way the class plays, SMN can parse however it wants and they won't care, so long as a theoretical target dummy says SMN does the most of casters. What good is theory if it's never put into practice?

And practice says you're right. I don't care how people feel about the class. There's absolutely no reason a class should do more damage than another in that role when it has more utility and is easier to play.

If you like how it plays, good for you. But SMN is clearly inferior, and no amount of "but Bahamut" is changing that. The class needs to be properly rewarded for its difficulty.