SMN...and SCH broken

[RLofOBFL]

According to the SSS dummy hp, SMN is the second highest dps behind SAM. And according to numbers SMN can do more than any class besides SAM. & SMN doesn't suffer more than RDM. SMN gets Aetherflow AND Lucid Dream. RDM only gets Lucid. It's OP in a sense that it has extremely high single target damage potential, gets resurrection and utility as well as high aoe damage.

[CecMiller]

According to the SSS dummy hp, SMN is the second highest dps behind SAM. And according to numbers SMN can do more than any class besides SAM. & SMN doesn't suffer more than RDM. SMN gets Aetherflow AND Lucid Dream. RDM only gets Lucid. It's OP in a sense that it has extremely high single target damage potential, gets resurrection and utility as well as high aoe damage.

To the above:

Who cares about a dummy parse? Have you even played Summoner? My friend has parsed on a dummy for 10 minutes as RDM and maintained 4k+ dps. In actual fights is where the dps matters and there you will consistently find RDM at pole position. The ONLY time RDM needs mana is because they've been resurrecting. Please don't comment on mana management when you're not even aware of how mana hungry the summoner class is. With Lucid Dreaming and Aetherflow, summoner cannot maintain 4k+ dps on an EX fight without outside buffs. You guys keep looking at these dummy parses and think summoner is a god. When you look at an extended fight like any EX fight, you find summoner nowhere close to 2nd place. RDM is king in the current EX fights. I know summoner very well from using it as my main class in creator savage. To say summoner is overpowered is ludicrous. In a dummy parse, Summoner has enough mana for 2 minutes that they do not go out of mana from spamming ruin 3 and have to resort to ruin 1. This is not true in fights which are ABOVE 2 minutes.

Summoners have been proven to have a better overall dps than Red mages. I believe Red mage easier than SMN to be optimized which is why we have high dmg red mages overall. And the thing is Red mage don't waste time to change their habits, they just get used to that new gameplay, instead of looking at what they've lost etc.
Don't look at the past, and focus on what you can do, and you'll see SMN have better dps than Red mages (at least lvl 70).

The whole problem with RDM is that its extremely easy to play compared to summoner whilst doing better dps. It has a very low skill ceiling. And as a summoner main, it didn't take me long to let go of my habbits. Even after looking at the new summoner at level 70, RDM is 100% doing more dps. I have no idea what kinda of poor dps players you've seen where a SMN is outdpsing the red mages in your parties.