SMN...and SCH broken

[Leonus]

From what I read, Drg suffers the most in downtime (or deaths). Was my old main and I should level it to 70. Though I want to get Rdm to 70 first... currently 52. Ugh... PotD.

[CecMiller]

Snip.

And as said, an good RDM suffers a lot more than a good SMN in that fight, depending on stuns and mechanics.

Well lets put something to bed:
Top 100 parses Susano EX:
BLM: 3299-4295 DPS
SMN: 3344-3922 DPS
RDM: 3701-4200 DPS

Guess all those summoners must be real bad at the class. I told you SMN does worse than susano EX and the logs just prove me right. RDM needs nerfs or SMN needs some changes to help it do better. Those saying summoner is overpowered in this thread have no clue what they're talking about.

[Neela]

How does the same statistic look on Laki? : o - sad that the fflogs thread seemd to be deleted right at the point where the discussion got interessting.... .__.

To agree with you on one point I also don't think that Smn is overpowered but neither that bad that it needs a tweak - for me he's just fine we got pretty nice utilities as well - we don't have to be on top of dps as long as we can provide a fair enough amount...which we do, dontcha think so? : /

[Fyce]

How does the same statistic look on Laki?

Susano and Lakshmi are very similar in terms of numbers (not -actual- numbers, but ratio and positions). A few notes:
- Tanks: PLD is clearly ahead in Susano, but WAR is close on Laksmhi (but still behind PLD). DRK is far behind in Lakshmi (I don't really know why).
- Healers: consistant between Susano and Lakshmi (ie. SCH 1st, WHM close second, AST way behind but doesn't account for Balance).
- Melee: SAM is OP in both fights. DRG is complete trash.
- Ranged: BRD is far above MCH, while having more group utility. I don't even...
- Caster: RDM is above everyone else. SMN is the big looser, while being the hardest to play. Go figure.

[Brinzy]

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No amount of proof is good enough for these people. As long as they like the way the class plays, SMN can parse however it wants and they won't care, so long as a theoretical target dummy says SMN does the most of casters. What good is theory if it's never put into practice?

And practice says you're right. I don't care how people feel about the class. There's absolutely no reason a class should do more damage than another in that role when it has more utility and is easier to play.

If you like how it plays, good for you. But SMN is clearly inferior, and no amount of "but Bahamut" is changing that. The class needs to be properly rewarded for its difficulty.

[Neela]

Kinda true I personally don't care not being top dps but it's strange that easy ones got this amount and more complex ones are screwed... one way or another it won't stay like this - buffs and nerfs will come, like they always do ^^

[Brinzy]

Yep, buffs and nerfs will definitely come along. It's just bemusing that people really think SMN is overpowered in any vein.

[Neela]

At first they say it's crap like hell now they say it's op - not worth a discussion for now it's kinda okay - challenging and fun if you take a bit of effort into it, that's all what's matter at least for me ^^'

[CatStarPrime]

<eyes open wide>

Putting the pets on the party list so the Healers can see them easier... whoa.

But what would happen if you got a party that was, say, 2 tanks, 2 SCH, and 4 SMN? :yoiks:


I'm not seeing a problem with my DPS. Things die. I live. My TitanCarbuncle dies occasionally, but not all that often. And I still love love love dropping Deathflare on stuff, even though it ISN'T optimal DPS. Fa-WOOOOSH! BURN!!!

:laughing:

[Inosaska]

summoner is very strong right now , maybe even a little op

they do more damage than melee classes except SAM according to the new stone sky sea dummy hp
and they have strong utility as they can buff physical and magical damage

Hitting something that doesn't fight back isn't a good measure for damage as there will be mechanics that force you out of position. Dummies are there for practicing your rotation and nothing else really.