SMN...and SCH broken

[Neela]

Where does rdm provide more utility?...

[Drakolos]

It is a more complex to play and has heavier penalties all the while dealing less dps in fights and offering less utility.

This reminds me just exactly the same problem between blm and smn at heavensward.

[Revanslave]

I am still not understanding people saying SMN got nerfed. I am putting out really really high damage still. The play style slightly changed but that's it.

[Neela]

I am still not understanding people saying SMN got nerfed. I am putting out really really high damage still. The play style slightly changed but that's it.

Because most people just took a quick look at raw potecy. They are not aware of how often r4 procs, how much dmg Bahamuts shockwave adds, how much the aetherskill cd reduce adds and how often you can refresh your dots without hardcasts. -> it seems most of the complainers haven't tried the cls on 70 themselves. That's why ^^

[Koyuki38]

I've been told that SMN is actually overpowered on dummy, but performs badly in the current end content. That's probably due to the fact we can't optimize dps AND delay DWT or bahamut. If we delay Bahamut, we loose DPS, if we don't, we use Bahamut on the wrong moment. Something like that.

[Sacerdos]

I dropped SMN and SCH in HW because I didn't like where they were going with Aetherflow/Aethertrail and they still hadn't fixed pet mechanics.

Now in SB I still don't like Aetherflow and pet mechanics are even worse than HW (Fairy having to heal herself through boss mechanics because Sustain is gone and her defenses were nerfed, for example).

[Neela]

I've been told that SMN is actually overpowered on dummy, but performs badly in the current end content. That's probably due to the fact we can't optimize dps AND delay DWT or bahamut. If we delay Bahamut, we loose DPS, if we don't, we use Bahamut on the wrong moment. Something like that.

This is true - it's on us to learn fightscripts and mechaniccycles even better now to be effective and to get the last important % of dps working. We lost the complexity of Dot/oGCD/Burst synergy which was the way in HW to play well but have to time Bahamut/DW now - just a new challenge to handle in SB.

[Sunako]

PPl that think summoner dps is op, they have no idea how aetherflow works. You can use 4 aetherflows and 2 bahamuts and burn all your mana in that 2min 30 sec sss parse. It is impossible keep that dps in long fight. Your dps will drop more than any other class. If we compare blm, only cooldown skill they have now is ley lines so their dps is not spiking up and down much. They can keep same dps even 10min + dummy parses where summoner dps drop like over 10% in the long parses.

[Neela]

Indeed it's spike dmg instead of constantly holding the line - yet again dummy parsing in generell doesn't give a "true" result. Blm can beat it without a doubt that's true - but if he he has to move much like in the 2nd trial even his dmg won't be that constant at all.

[Kurando]

SMN definitely is not broken and players who use it effectively can deal major dps. Personally it's one of the high hitters, although Physick and Sustain need looking at again but to each their own.
SCH on the other hand for sure has some issues. The mp cost of using aoe heals or galvanize is the loser against WHM and AST variants no matter how good a player's mp management is. Put Succor on equal playing field as Aspec Helios and that'd be a good start. Wouldn't mind having an aoe back like Miasma II to give the SCH a bit more utility than the current dots and Broil spam.