SMN...and SCH broken

[Selova]

Summoner is fine. People are just salty because their precious bane and casting multiple ranks of the same dot were nerfed. They wanted to get rid of the dot mage playstyle and make them actually feel like a summoner. Which they nailed perfectly. Scholars on the other hand.....need some serious buffs and mp cost reduction.

[Feidam]

Summoner is fine. People are just salty because their precious bane and casting multiple ranks of the same dot were nerfed. They wanted to get rid of the dot mage playstyle and make them actually feel like a summoner. Which they nailed perfectly. Scholars on the other hand.....need some serious buffs and mp cost reduction.

This is exactly why I left summoner. I like dot classes and that was removed. Hopefully they will make a new dot class. Fortunately they gave me my favorite final fantasy class the redmage and the changes to BLM I really enjoy.

[jstamos]

One major fix to SMN/SCH: give Bane a cooldown/mp cost, and stop making it consume AF stacks.

The nerf to its damage spread means it's not OP anymore (especially on a SCH), and there's no longer a way to spread DoTs when in Trance, and with our new extra finicky system of AF stacks in place, it really doesn't make sense. Fester and Painflare feel like they have the oomph needed to use up AF; Bane just does not, and since we have no AoE filler and a super long cooldown on Shadowflare, giving Bane a small cooldown (10 sec? 15?) instead of being an AF consumer would do a lot.

[paoweeotter]

Eirene Snow's Comprehensive Thoughts on 4.0 SMN~
https://www.reddit.com/r/ffxiv/comme...hts_on_40_smn/

[evil_befall]

tried playing my lv 51 summoner and just ugh i felt so weak i seen everyone killing things fast while im standing here dotting and spamming boring ruin ,pet died, physick barley healed my pet

[paoweeotter]

also in that reddit thread. lakshmi and Susan ex he pulls 3800+DPS. running double ninja with redmage and an AST he is the top dps in their raid.

[CecMiller]

also in that reddit thread. lakshmi and Susan ex he pulls 3800+DPS. running double ninja with redmage and an AST he is the top dps in their raid.

That guys a crazy good summoner which is why his dps is so high. I just hope people in this thread realize that summoner is in no way overpowered. Just yesterday I managed 3.5k+ dps (on the logs site) on Laskshimi with no AST and was the top of the raid group. The fun (and imo) the good thing about summoner is catering your rotation to every fight. There is always something you can improve in each and every fight. The bad thing about summoner is missing 1 aetherflow and you're screwed. 1 Tri disaster + early fester means you're down on your luck for a good minute and sets everything back by a minute. This happens even to the best players. I've done this on laskhimi's fight or adds a few times already. I think fester or bane needs to be contextual button presses: It's not enabled if there are no dots on the target and bane can't be used if there are no other targets to pass dots onto in range. I think this will help a ton.

[Neela]

The bad thing about summoner is missing 1 aetherflow and you're screwed. 1 Tri disaster + early fester means you're down on your luck for a good minute and sets everything back by a minute. This happens even to the best players.

Thats true but no argument for a skillchange-request. There are several ways to avoid it you can use a macro which times your first fester (bad idea though), you can take ruin ll as a filler between tri and the first fester, or even rudas con as filler between tri and fester – if you can't get the timing right by yourself its not automatically a "whole community problem" nor bad skill design .___.

The skill floor and ceiling of SMN was raised -a lot-.

I'm clearly not a top SMN by any means, but I know how to recognize that my job is now more demanding. Yes, it can pull good numbers. But you have to be up for it. Basically, if you s*ck, SMN s*ck. If you're good, SMN is good. This is probably the only job in the game with such a skill variance. Compared to RDM, they are like day and night.

SE took the concept of "multiple sources of damage" and raised it to a whole new level. SMN is an extremely busy job.

absofuckingloudly right! :3

its weird to ready that so many player say smn now is clunky as hell... cause actually they aren't – you just have to put more effort into it to find a new flow. you wanna a "op" output? than you also have to play "op". easy like that. Dps on smn isnt a gift on a silver plate anymore - you actually have to work for it now - and that is great. CecMiller is absolutly right about this manner:

The fun (and imo) the good thing about summoner is catering your rotation to every fight. There is always something you can improve in each and every fight.

I personally like that so many left this job atm – being a good Smn actually means something again.

[Nerisu]

its weird to ready that so many player say smn now is clunky as hell... cause actually they aren't – you just have to put more effort into it to find a new flow. you wanna a "op" output? than you also have to play "op". easy like that. Dps on smn isnt a gift on a silver plate anymore - you actually have to work for it now - and that is great. CecMiller is absolutly right about this manner

Which is ironic because, if I remember correctly, the devs' goal for 4.0 was to make rotations more streamlined and "easier". On the current SMN, one wrong move and your DPS dreams all goes down the drain.

[RyuDragnier]

SMN is completely fine.

SCH on the other hand...