SMN...and SCH broken

[ShaolinMike]

I started off leveling SAM first in Stormblood and just recently got back to my SMN a couple days ago. It felt clunky as hell at first, but once I realized what I need to focus on in terms of timing the DWTs and Bahamut phase, it feels a lot smoother. There's also a LOT of room to adjust your rotation based on how a fight flows. Overall, it looks like SMN is now even more of a burst DPS than ever before.

[Erudito]

Scholar is in a bad way right now but by now I hope the dev. team has heard us and will do something soon. Hopefully, or it's RIP.

As for Summoner, I request a potency redistribution as a summoner that is not 70 with Bahamut is weak as all heck. If something can be done about the clunky feeling in between Aetherflows and Dreadwyrm Trances/Bahamut I would be grateful. If something can be done about pet healing on Summoner it would be grand.

[Selova]

Summoner is fine. People are just salty because their precious bane and casting multiple ranks of the same dot were nerfed. They wanted to get rid of the dot mage playstyle and make them actually feel like a summoner. Which they nailed perfectly. Scholars on the other hand.....need some serious buffs and mp cost reduction.

[jstamos]

One major fix to SMN/SCH: give Bane a cooldown/mp cost, and stop making it consume AF stacks.

The nerf to its damage spread means it's not OP anymore (especially on a SCH), and there's no longer a way to spread DoTs when in Trance, and with our new extra finicky system of AF stacks in place, it really doesn't make sense. Fester and Painflare feel like they have the oomph needed to use up AF; Bane just does not, and since we have no AoE filler and a super long cooldown on Shadowflare, giving Bane a small cooldown (10 sec? 15?) instead of being an AF consumer would do a lot.

[paoweeotter]

Eirene Snow's Comprehensive Thoughts on 4.0 SMN~
https://www.reddit.com/r/ffxiv/comme...hts_on_40_smn/

[evil_befall]

tried playing my lv 51 summoner and just ugh i felt so weak i seen everyone killing things fast while im standing here dotting and spamming boring ruin ,pet died, physick barley healed my pet

[paoweeotter]

also in that reddit thread. lakshmi and Susan ex he pulls 3800+DPS. running double ninja with redmage and an AST he is the top dps in their raid.

[Feidam]

Summoner is fine. People are just salty because their precious bane and casting multiple ranks of the same dot were nerfed. They wanted to get rid of the dot mage playstyle and make them actually feel like a summoner. Which they nailed perfectly. Scholars on the other hand.....need some serious buffs and mp cost reduction.

This is exactly why I left summoner. I like dot classes and that was removed. Hopefully they will make a new dot class. Fortunately they gave me my favorite final fantasy class the redmage and the changes to BLM I really enjoy.

[CecMiller]

also in that reddit thread. lakshmi and Susan ex he pulls 3800+DPS. running double ninja with redmage and an AST he is the top dps in their raid.

That guys a crazy good summoner which is why his dps is so high. I just hope people in this thread realize that summoner is in no way overpowered. Just yesterday I managed 3.5k+ dps (on the logs site) on Laskshimi with no AST and was the top of the raid group. The fun (and imo) the good thing about summoner is catering your rotation to every fight. There is always something you can improve in each and every fight. The bad thing about summoner is missing 1 aetherflow and you're screwed. 1 Tri disaster + early fester means you're down on your luck for a good minute and sets everything back by a minute. This happens even to the best players. I've done this on laskhimi's fight or adds a few times already. I think fester or bane needs to be contextual button presses: It's not enabled if there are no dots on the target and bane can't be used if there are no other targets to pass dots onto in range. I think this will help a ton.

[RyuDragnier]

SMN is completely fine.

SCH on the other hand...