SMN...and SCH broken

[zcrash970]

Can we just stop for a second and talk about how we can no longer heal our pets? wtf? As a sch it's not much of an issue.. just party member #5. But as smn you have no more options.
Also is it just me or are the pets being hit way more by boss mechanics compared to before? I end up just using swiftcast for raising my pet now Oo

Every time I see this in every thread, I'm just like "HOW IS YOUR PET EVEN DYING!"
I can't even remember the last time I used substain. I know it wasn't on my hotbar in 3.x though

[Neophyte]

Can we just stop for a second and talk about how we can no longer heal our pets? wtf? As a sch it's not much of an issue.. just party member #5. But as smn you have no more options.
Also is it just me or are the pets being hit way more by boss mechanics compared to before? I end up just using swiftcast for raising my pet now Oo

SMN resets his pets hp every 2 minutes with Bahamut (in dungeons it's more than every 2 mins of fight time), which also resets emnity on them (so RIP Titan tanking while playing serious anyway), and a SCH should use Dissipation (at least before his pet dies, if not regulary in their rotation).

[Ftail]

Can we just stop for a second and talk about how we can no longer heal our pets? wtf? As a sch it's not much of an issue.. just party member #5. But as smn you have no more options.
Also is it just me or are the pets being hit way more by boss mechanics compared to before? I end up just using swiftcast for raising my pet now Oo

I'd say it's just as much of an issue on SCH, sure the Fairy can heal itself when it's damaged, but that's the main issue for SCH's. If I could just tell that little shit to stop spamming embrace on itself and cast whispering dawn instead of having to wait for the perfect moment in between embrace casts it wouldn't be so frustrating manually controlling my little shit, I mean fairy.

[Exterium]

I keep seeing this "SMN is broken" posts all over the place, while SMN is in a VERY good spot right now.

SCH is definitelly broken tho.

[Kalocin]

Summoner's biggest issues are dying and the pet healing. I have noticed more of a struggle with Scholars in leveling dungeons but it hasn't been too bad at max level.

[Achelon]

Am I the only that not only can't see the nerf to SMN but a big buff instead?
Yeah, they nerfed Bane, but they didn't nerf our AoE because of that. We get Bahamut, and with him, Akh Morn x 2. We just aren't the kings of sustained AoE anymore. But Burst AoE? Oh gosh. If adds will live for 20s...Bane -> Painflare x 2 -> Deathflare -> Akh Morn x 2 is just nuts.

Oh, and SMN definetly IS NOT nerfed. It just has changed, from a DoT class, to a Burst class. We have two Burst phases now. DWT phase and Bahamut phase.

[Mature]

SMN is OP

Scholar is another story.... Rip

[CecMiller]

Summoner is OP? where are you guys getting this from? Summoner is nowhere close to overpowered.

Overpowered is a class like redmage. It does better dps in any EX fight than summoner whilst having better mana mangement, better utility, lower skill ceiling/being less complex to play. Not to mention, if a summoner misses a move or dies, it suffers the most out of any dps class. Saying SUMMONER is overpowered is ludicrous and just shows that most of you on here have never played summoner to a high level or often enough to notice this.

[Neophyte]

Summoner is OP? where are you guys getting this from? Summoner is nowhere close to overpowered.

Overpowered is a class like redmage. It does better dps in any EX fight than summoner whilst having better mana mangement, better utility, lower skill ceiling/being less complex to play. Not to mention, if a summoner misses a move or dies, it suffers the most out of any dps class. Saying SUMMONER is overpowered is ludicrous and just shows that most of you on here have never played summoner to a high level or often enough to notice this.

Then don't press the wrong button, duh?
The possibility to lose an aetherflow stack is not high skill ceiling, saying so just shows that you have never played SMN on a high level. Because that's literally happening in one of 1000 fights once.
And yes, RDM has better MP Management, but beside vercures and rezzes they can't utilize a "more" on MP in any offensive way.

RDM suffers a lot more in Susano for missed GCDs because of stun or Goal (several hundred pot loss per GCD + no mp buildup-> delay in Rotation), while a good SMN will lose only pot 100 GCDs there, while pet and Dots are still up.

Also SMN has almost no delay in rotation when that happens , because SMN rotation is more "rotating" oGCDs, while using 4 different ruin skills depending on ressources/situation and his two Dots about every 2 minutes.

If you do everything right and your oGCDs are on CD, DoTs are up and you are not capped on MP you literally lose only about 200-300 pot for being stunned for 6s. How is that punishing?