SMN...and SCH broken

[Famulus]

Maybe I am just a bit whiny here, but I really hate how bad they nerfed SMN and SCH, I hope they fix them in the future.

I am not asking for a big fix, just make our dots (PVE) worth while again or make bane more similar to how it was, or make the reduction of bane not so severe.

to me they are balanced in PVP

But thats just my 2 cents

Sry if this offends anyone and I know i will get responses saying "Git Gud"
However I am not saying its unplayable, just kinda broken right now when compared to other classes, and needs rebalancing

And yes I understand one class always has to be the bottom, as its just how MMOs work. Just salty they picked SMN/SCH to nerf

[itti18]

summoner is very strong right now , maybe even a little op

they do more damage than melee classes except SAM according to the new stone sky sea dummy hp
and they have strong utility as they can buff physical and magical damage

[Inosaska]

summoner is very strong right now , maybe even a little op

they do more damage than melee classes except SAM according to the new stone sky sea dummy hp
and they have strong utility as they can buff physical and magical damage

Hitting something that doesn't fight back isn't a good measure for damage as there will be mechanics that force you out of position. Dummies are there for practicing your rotation and nothing else really.

[PotatoTree]

Hitting something that doesn't fight back isn't a good measure for damage as there will be mechanics that force you out of position. Dummies are there for practicing your rotation and nothing else really.

Also I'd like to add that SMN dummy parses do a rotation that is not used in a normal fight. You have to rush your trances and wyrms to squeeze extra ones in, but in a real fight your next 2 minutes after the dummy rotation would be like a wet noodle.

[SmallHobbit]

summoner is very strong right now , maybe even a little op

i play my self SMN and this is not true! have you see fflogs already? SMN in a real fights is one of the weakest dps now near DRG.

regards hobbit

[Ariomi]

summoner is very strong right now , maybe even a little op

they do more damage than melee classes except SAM according to the new stone sky sea dummy hp
and they have strong utility as they can buff physical and magical damage

Stone Sky Sea Dummies are a terrible indication of how strong a class is.

Machinist dummies required more dps then a bard dummy, despite Machinist having terrible dps. Only took doubling some of Machinist's potencies, like their 400 potency attack to 800 potency, doubling the damage increase from overheating and buffing the duration of their self buff to be a minute long for it to be good.

[EvilJoshy]

IMO dummies are really bad for seeing what a DPS can do. They get you raw numbers if you are doing "nothing" else but dmg. In raid content you are not doing just dmg. There are several variables that a dummy can not account for. Having to stop what your doing to move out of an aoe, deal with a mechanic, the boss is off screen/invulnerable and can't be targeted for a time, adds, someone dies and needs a rez, "you" die and need a rez.
SMN is not OP. I wouldn't go as far as say broken but we need some work.
Pets are clunky and unresponsive
Sustain was removed and if our pets are taking dmg we may have to resmn them
Bahamut is cool but he can block the screen and you can get clipped by an aoe
Bahamut prioritizes moving instead of attacking
Bahamut has a lot of range but he insists on being latched to your backside
If a smn dies we lose all our stacks for aetherflow, DWT and bahamut. That is like 2 mins of work down the drain and we have to start over.
Devotion is a cool buff but it only targets one person and that's the person closest to our pet. If we got ifrit and everyone is stacked on the boss's butt there's no telling who will get the buff. RDM's buff is party wide. I don't need to do that math to tell you 8 people getting a buff is more value than one person getting a buff.
Shadowflare is instant which is good but it's on a longer CD. Less forgiving if the boss has to move. Example, when Halicarnassus decides to jump to a tile and do a mechanic.

This is just me and my static so not a representation of all SMNs place in the DPS kingdom. On savage 1-3. I have been using this link as a guide https://docs.google.com/document/d/1...d3LQBPy1E/edit. I am not doing the perfect rotation all the time but if I don't die or have to rez someone I tend to get anywhere from 3400-3800. Our blm gets 3800-4200 every fight. He even swaps to RDM once in awhile and his dmg is almost the same with a weaker weapon. He has the augmented tomestone weapon for BLM, susano's weapons for RDM.

[Temjiu]

I think the struggle most people have (and why this kind of thread pops up allot) is that many have gotten used to how a class played during HW, and now many classes have flip flopped in this, frustrating allot of people who enjoyed said previous playstyle.

I certainly empathize: I stopped playing my Bard in HW due to the drastic change in playstyle. So I can't say whether or not someones frustration is valid due to these changes. But I think that as long as numerically the classes stack up, then we at least need to realize it's a personal reason. Claiming that a class is broke due to this isn't a good way to approach things. It's broken for you, now that's valid. but broken in general? not really. it still functions as a class and still can put out solid numbers while having party synergy. Just not in a way you enjoy. But hey, that kept allot of people from playing Bard in HW.

[Taluus]

Actually, I may be 1 in a million, I like how SCH is at lvl 70, more focused on healing, even though there is indeed a big nerf on dps style... Don't get me wrong, I also liked how it was before SB, but still, I like it how it is designed for SB

[EaMett]

Can we just stop for a second and talk about how we can no longer heal our pets? wtf? As a sch it's not much of an issue.. just party member #5. But as smn you have no more options.
Also is it just me or are the pets being hit way more by boss mechanics compared to before? I end up just using swiftcast for raising my pet now Oo