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    Gallus's Avatar
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    Crimson Bloodrose
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    Phantom
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    Summoner Lv 100

    This expansion looks very unfair for the DPS classes in general.

    Let's just go over some of the DPS classes again...

    Melee:

    DRG: Complicated as hell, an utter mess of long animation OGCDs, a bunch of priorities, a timer that can fall off, positionals that range from 100-180 and 200-290 if missed (and you'll miss them given the ridiculous amount of times bosses spin this time around). Jumps still locking you. A complete nightmare of a class.
    Numbers? On the very bottom.

    Meanwhile, you have SAM, which has no timers, positionals barely punish you, barely OGCDs and a pretty noob friendly rotation.
    Numbers? Ludicrously high.


    Casters

    BLM: While not super complex, still extremely punishing and immobile due to permahardcasts and AF and UI timers. Has no utility.
    Numbers? Lower than they should be.

    SMN: Complex and punishing as hell. Missing an aetherflow this time around is twice as punishing as it was before, there's a lot of thought into when DWTs are used and/or if it's a good idea to delay Bahamut and a long etc. Class is hard as hell to optimize. Has some utility.
    Numbers? Slightly lower than the other 2 casters.

    RDM: No timers, barely punishes you for pressing the wrong button, mobile as hell (50% of its casts are instant), noob friendly rotation, has utility.
    Numbers? At the top.

    Ranged Supp

    Haven't played these two classes but from what I've heard:

    MCH: Hard as hell, barely any utility, ridiculosly low DPS.

    BRD: Relatively easy, has a lot of utility, very high DPS.


    Why are easier classes blatantly overshadowing the most complex ones? Shouldn't it be the opposite? High risk high reward no?
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    Aerolithe Leone
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    Carpenter Lv 50
    Your definition of punishing greatly differs from mine.
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    Player Jeckyl_Tesla's Avatar
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    Cap'n Jack
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    Omega
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    Marauder Lv 61
    None of the classes are difficult or complex. They're all relatively simple to play.
    Some ARE easier than others, but only down to how many buttons you have to press.
    The mechanics are all fairly simple.
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  4. #4
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    Gallus's Avatar
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    Quote Originally Posted by Aerolithe_Lion View Post
    Your definition of punishing greatly differs from mine.
    So you are telling me SAM and RDM are more punishing than DRG and BLM/SMN?
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    Last edited by Gallus; 07-02-2017 at 12:17 AM.

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    Exiled_Tonberry's Avatar
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    Sharl Llyntine
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    Jenova
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    White Mage Lv 100
    DPS are actually the closest things to balanced, believe it or not. Healers especially is so in the shits, half the healer mains just jumped to DPS.
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    Astrea Blackthorne
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    Siren
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    Monk Lv 70
    If you think DRG is imbalanced to play unfairly youve never played NIN or MNK. DRG is probably the easiest class to manage out of the three.
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    Urdnot Rekt
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    Midgardsormr
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    Summoner Lv 80
    Quote Originally Posted by Exiled_Tonberry View Post
    DPS are actually the closest things to balanced, believe it or not. Healers especially is so in the shits, half the healer mains just jumped to DPS.
    Really? RDM outdamaging all other casters while also having better utility than them, including one that was once exclusive to SMN. If they wanted to try their hardest to make the other casters less popular, they're doing a great job.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Vallhallix View Post
    Really? RDM outdamaging all other casters while also having better utility than them, including one that was once exclusive to SMN. If they wanted to try their hardest to make the other casters less popular, they're doing a great job.
    They purposely overbuffed RDM and SAM.
    Yoshi said it himself. So I'm looking more at everything but those two jobs.
    Looking at it like that, DPS comes off as the most balanced, while both healers are completely inferior to AST and have very thin identities thanks to it.
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    Galveira Vorfeed
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    Ragnarok
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    Pictomancer Lv 100
    Quote Originally Posted by Vallhallix View Post
    Really? RDM outdamaging all other casters while also having better utility than them, including one that was once exclusive to SMN. If they wanted to try their hardest to make the other casters less popular, they're doing a great job.
    The biggest issue with RDM is that since it can buff itself while buffing physical dps, it inherently buffs the three strongest dps jobs in the expansion- SAM, NIN and MNK. It inherently syngerizes with teams, buffing the strongest dps and the supports (which are all gonna be physical).
    Even if SMN was as strong, it probably would be worse than RDM. Sure, embolden is 1%, but 1% for your NIN/SAM/BRD/Tanks is better than like 5% for the SMN/Healers. Espeacially with Astro having not-so-good dps now, according to the data we have.
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    Player Neela's Avatar
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    Flower Girl
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    Zodiark
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    Dancer Lv 90
    Quote Originally Posted by Jeckyl_Tesla View Post
    None of the classes are difficult or complex. They're all relatively simple to play.
    Some ARE easier than others, but only down to how many buttons you have to press.
    The mechanics are all fairly simple.
    You are kidding hm? : /
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