Against "Simultaneous Logout Measures"

[Kethic]

Or you know get actual better servers and stop band aid fixing things.

Some probably can't be solved by throwing bigger hardware at them.

[Jetstream_Fox]

Some probably can't be solved by throwing bigger hardware at them.

Considering what we have now and it can't maintain the current population numbers, yes a much bigger server would allow for much more traffic, even if they rented more of the same servers it would help. You do realize that the only way to handle congestion is to allow more access to the destination? So people afking are causing congestion? Ok cool, you found one culprit, how did you handle it? By shutting the game down for 10 minutes? That's great for that 10 minute span, but what about the next wave? And the wave after that? Shutting down the servers once a day doesn't help anything despite what disillusioned people might think.

The only way to handle congestion is to allow more for more bandwidth. That is it. Look at it like a restaurant, if your building max occupy is 50 but you keep letting 300 people in, you create a bottleneck at the doorway, none can get in and none can get out. Your restaurant would be shut down immediately for safety violations, the only way to ensure you get all those 350 customers? By either expanding your current building, or by renting out or buying a new location. Not by kicking people out mid meal and say try to get back into the building in 10 minutes.


There is always going to be congestion and DDoS attacks, they just can't simply be fixed, they can only be mitigated. It's much harder to congest 300,000 servers vs 500. More is always better in the networking world. It's really as simple as that.

[Rinuko]

Considering what we have now and it can't maintain the current population numbers, yes a much bigger server would allow for much more traffic, even if they rented more of the same servers it would help. You do realize that the only way to handle congestion is to allow more access to the destination? So people afking are causing congestion? Ok cool, you found one culprit, how did you handle it? By shutting the game down for 10 minutes? That's great for that 10 minute span, but what about the next wave? And the wave after that? Shutting down the servers once a day doesn't help anything despite what disillusioned people might think.

The only way to handle congestion is to allow more for more bandwidth. That is it. Look at it like a restaurant, if your building max occupy is 50 but you keep letting 300 people in, you create a bottleneck at the doorway, none can get in and none can get out. Your restaurant would be shut down immediately for safety violations, the only way to ensure you get all those 350 customers? By either expanding your current building, or by renting out or buying a new location. Not by kicking people out mid meal and say try to get back into the building in 10 minutes.


There is always going to be congestion and DDoS attacks, they just can't simply be fixed, they can only be mitigated. It's much harder to congest 300,000 servers vs 500. More is always better in the networking world. It's really as simple as that.

Great comparison. Sad but true.

[TaranTatsuuchi]

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The only way to handle congestion is to allow more for more bandwidth. That is it. Look at it like a restaurant, if your building max occupy is 50 but you keep letting 300 people in, you create a bottleneck at the doorway, none can get in and none can get out. Your restaurant would be shut down immediately for safety violations, the only way to ensure you get all those 350 customers? By either expanding your current building, or by renting out or buying a new location. Not by kicking people out mid meal and say try to get back into the building in 10 minutes.

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Our current situation is more like....

The building has a max capacity of 50, but 25 of them refuse to leave, even when you tell them to.

So in effect, the building now has a max capacity of 25, halfing the speed at which you can serve the remaining 300 people.



The measure they've put into effect is like calling the police to clear out the entire building to get those 25 people out of your building so you can now serve 50 at a time instead of 25.

[BlastHardcheese]

Snip.

They also stuck a sign outside the restaurant saying people could stay as long as they wanted whether they're eating or not and told their staff to ignore people squatting at tables. Oh and they also already took payment for meals from the people queueing outside.

[Jetstream_Fox]

Our current situation is more like....

The building has a max capacity of 50, but 25 of them refuse to leave, even when you tell them to.

So in effect, the building now has a max capacity of 25, halfing the speed at which you can serve the remaining 300 people.



The measure they've put into effect is like calling the police to clear out the entire building to get those 25 people out of your building so you can now serve 50 at a time instead of 25.

You didn't even fully quote me.

As I stated in my last paragraph, you can't simply solve congestion problems by forcing people out ONE SINGLE TIME because after you switch the servers back on you'll have a massive login in flood, which will cause congestion, and then you'll have players go back right back to afking since the once a day kick is over. The only way this forceful log out works is if people who afk are the only ones removed from the server, it does no good to remove people out who are actively playing the game. Any modern game has a auto kick feature, even Overwatch has one.

This is a bandaid fix, a very bad one at that. People need to wake and a realize that. SE screwed up the entire server moving, by NOT expanding their server count, not creating more NA datacenters, and by not using NEWER servers the current company recently opened.

[TaranTatsuuchi]

You didn't even fully quote me.
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I didn't.
Simply because all I was doing was using your example, to provide a more accurate example.

None of the rest of your post was relevant to what I was saying.


You were talking about a throughput queue.
What this fix is attempting to alleviate is a max capacity queue.

Your example was of a throughput queue, mine was of a max capacity queue.