In Combat ilvl Check

[Almagnus1]

There's been plenty of shenanigans involving people swapping out gear to a lower ilvl than what would normally be expected for an instance in the past, but when it comes to tanks (especially those doing this in pub groups) it brings an entirely new risk as a tank will suddenly become a lot squishier than a healer was expecting them to be.

What I'd like SE to do to fix this is do a check once combat starts for any players that are below the ilvl of the instance. If a player is below the ilvl of the instance, they are immediately booted from the instance with a one hour instance lockout.

[Maku]

There's been plenty of shenanigans involving people swapping out gear to a lower ilvl than what would normally be expected for an instance in the past, but when it comes to tanks (especially those doing this in pub groups) it brings an entirely new risk as a tank will suddenly become a lot squishier than a healer was expecting them to be.

What I'd like SE to do to fix this is do a check once combat starts for any players that are below the ilvl of the instance. If a player is below the ilvl of the instance, they are immediately booted from the instance with a one hour instance lockout.

And if it is a tank, which seems to be your main argument, then all the DPS have yet another long que timer to sit through instead of just trying to beat the thing they are on now.

[Almagnus1]

And if it is a tank, which seems to be your main argument, then all the DPS have yet another long que timer to sit through instead of just trying to beat the thing they are on now.

Being able to run an instance below the required ilvl by swapping in gear after the start of the instance is an exploit of the game systems, and probably should get players banned.

I know that sucks pretty badly for non-tanks if their tank is doing that kind of shenanigans, but that's also the example that's still fresh in everyone's mind.

[Zojha]

I know that sucks pretty badly for non-tanks if their tank is doing that kind of shenanigans, but that's also the example that's still fresh in everyone's mind.

Honestly, the only thing I can think of in that regard are the STR accessories, which should be fine for every semi-competent healer, as the accessories don't affect how much damage you take (No defense on them and tenacity is completely negligible) and nothing hits hard enough to one-shot tanks wearing them.

I mean, I can understand it if someone is just randomly using gatherer equip, or switches his left side to level 50 stuff in expert or something, but that's about the extent to which I can see the issue here. And that, uh... hasn't happened to me, yet. And if it would, I'd probably just initiate a votekick.

[Almagnus1]

Honestly, the only thing I can think of in that regard are the STR accessories, which should be fine for every semi-competent healer, as the accessories don't affect how much damage you take (No defense on them and tenacity is completely negligible) and nothing hits hard enough to one-shot tanks wearing them.

The issue isn't the healers ability to cover for it - it's still an exploit.

It's also a bad reason to say an exploit is "ok".

I mean, I can understand it if someone is just randomly using gatherer equip, or switches his left side to level 50 stuff in expert or something, but that's about the extent to which I can see the issue here. And that, uh... hasn't happened to me, yet. And if it would, I'd probably just initiate a votekick.

Why should we wait to deal with an exploit before it affects you?

[Kabooa]

Losing 25% of 50% when you only have 90% of the total attack power anyway isn't all that different from just losing 25% of 100%.

Vitality doesn't change the HPS you need to live, Strength doesn't change the Damage you're taking.

[Gravton]

It seems like if you (and your group) have an issue with it there is already a tool in place. Can't you just vote kick? Then if the other members are ok with the ilvl they can still finish. I'm more in favor of giving the other part members the option, rather than auto-boot the tank and end the run all together.

[Almagnus1]

And yet, dropping below the minimum ilvl intentionally for any reason can be considered to be in breach of http://support.na.square-enix.com/ru...2&tag=users_en

2.1 Cheating and Botting. You may not create or use any unauthorized cheats, bots, automation software, hacks, mods or any other unauthorized software or hardware designed to modify the Game and gameplay. In addition, you may not take advantage of game system bugs and exploits during gameplay.

So the better question is would the tank rather get banned for being reported for cheating, or would the group go without the tank and have a bad run?

It's a bad situation either way, but I'd rather have failed instances than have salty healers start getting tanks banned for exploiting.

[Vulcwen]

There is a very valid reason to drop below min item level during a duty: Broken gear. People forget to repair at times after all :P
Further, it is possible that you have lower ilvl gear that is actually better than something that meets the minimum item level, for example you can try to get in something with normal quality crafted gear, and then switch to something HQ of a lower ilvl, that has superior stats.

[Kuwagami]

Honestly, the only thing I can think of in that regard are the STR accessories, which should be fine for every semi-competent healer, as the accessories don't affect how much damage you take (No defense on them and tenacity is completely negligible) and nothing hits hard enough to one-shot tanks wearing them.

Tell that to most STR tanks dropping by 10k HP and thinking they can tank susano Ex without problem. They're dead on pull before you know it because Susano Ex unannounced buster in P1 just deals enough damage with the following AA to wreck any non full-VIT tank. It's an other story in raid groups who know each other and can coordinate better (rotating tank CDs and provoke after 2nd buster in susano's case to prevent retarded death as an example, + it gives more hate generation with shirk shenanigans), but in DF/PF/RF gimping yourself that much is just a big fat NO.