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    Raim's Avatar
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    Raim Surion
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    Balmung
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    Marauder Lv 100

    Paladin and Total Eclipse Enmity

    Should this be changed to increase enmity like all other tank weaponskills currently? It feels poorly designed and requires you to frontload or weave in Flash still when ideally you should just Flash during the pulling process and Total Eclipse once the enemies are in place, but its not enough when grouped with good DPS jobs currently. I think the way it was implemented isn't natural, and Yoshi's concept of PLD being a viable offtank wouldn't be hindered by it having bonus enmity. It was never an issue before with WAR and DRK, why would it be with PLD?
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    Otorinth Uzoth
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    Mateus
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    Machinist Lv 90
    I don't have any issues holding aggro with only 1-3 Flashes and a Circle of Scorn before going full-on bey-blade. Do you use Total Eclipse while under FoF? It helps.
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    Kyt Tundera
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    Lamia
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    Paladin Lv 70
    Total eclipse wasn't made to be an enmity tool, it was made to give PLD's a way to have sustained aoe dps. Scorn, 2x flash, FoF into eclipse spam should be plenty to keep aoe threat.
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    Dizzy Dash
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    Gilgamesh
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    Warrior Lv 70
    Yeah it should have an enmity modifier. using flash just feels really bad cause it does no damage. Drk has abysmal drain and unleash even though unleash does negligible dps. And then war has overpower and steel cyclone. There is zero point in NOT having it gain aggro.
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    Derio Uzumaki
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    Sargatanas
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    Dark Knight Lv 100
    PLD already has 2 aoe threat generators. It would be unbalanced to give it a 3rd
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    Raim Surion
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    Balmung
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    Marauder Lv 100
    There still isn't any argument as to why it shouldn't have it considering all other tanks filler AoE skills have enmity bonuses. Its not a matter of it 'getting the job done' after 2-3 Flash which isn't actually the case against good players using SAM/BLM for example.
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    Jace Ossura
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    Goldsmith Lv 100
    If it's a matter of parity, then Paladins don't get it because the other tanks don't get spammable, high potency, ranged attacks.
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    Val Vermillion
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    Tonberry
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    Paladin Lv 80
    If they gave total eclipse enmity than flash would be obsolete, either it stays as is or they remove flash.
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    Furious Laughter
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    Ravana
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    Gladiator Lv 90
    Quote Originally Posted by Raim View Post
    There still isn't any argument as to why it shouldn't have it considering all other tanks filler AoE skills have enmity bonuses. Its not a matter of it 'getting the job done' after 2-3 Flash which isn't actually the case against good players using SAM/BLM for example.
    Other tanks don't have flash and clemency.

    Flash under shield oath gives ~1620 potency worth of enmity, if two flashes aren't holding against sam/blm you're probably doing something silly like trying to aoe tank dungeons against heavy hitting aoe dps in a dungeon in sword oath.
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    Daniel Fury
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    Sargatanas
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    Miner Lv 70
    DRKs new aoe doesn't give emnity either. We have to weave it between abyssal drain to use up our blood meter.
    The idea is to give us an aoe damage skill to use in the OT role. Now every tank has one.
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