New PLD should learn how to use their mp effectly...!!!

[ShariusTC]

...as the new DLC come out and the change of PLD i see so many PLD in DF compare with other 2 tank, and many time my team have 2 PLD, but most of time i notice that other PLD mp bar don't move an inche during the battle, they don't use clemency when their hp is low, don't even use them for holy spirit in tank stance to gain oath, a result is they rarely use sheldon as well, it's such a waste since holy spirit not only generated 20 oath for each cast also deal very good damage (about 20-30k in tank stance)

[Faeon]

Maybe because they used a jump potion. Yes I noticed this when I done susano extreme, where the other tank did not even know what the tank buster is, and how to mitigate it with a cool down. taking a full hit is insta death. It will phase it's self out after a few months, when people had there fill.

[Furious]

Maybe because they used a jump potion. Yes I noticed this when I done susano extreme, where the other tank did not even know what the tank buster is, and how to mitigate it with a cool down. taking a full hit is insta death. It will phase it's self out after a few months, when people had there fill.

So you think the most likely people to not use their mana are not the previous paladins who were used to a meta where mp was a resource of limited usefulness (clemency and flash only), but the ones who have used jump potion and never played paladin before to have predisposition to the old version of the class?

Makes total sense.

"They must have used a jump potion" seems to be being used interchangeably with "they are bloody stupid and don't know how to read" quite a lot these days.

well a good paladin would use it when necessary, i have to agree with you there

Whenever you've got a big aoe section, the healer will likely do a lot more damage than the tank when it comes to paladins, especially if they dont have to heal. You can have the paladin heal themselves while the WHM spams holy (200 potency downgrading to 100 potency over 5 targets or more), or you can have the paladin spam eclipse for 100potency per target while the whm heals. Obviously instants and ogcds can be used in either case, but generally speaking if resources aren't an issue (going oom, etc), the healer is better off dpsing. If you're in shield oath, your eclipse also gets reduced by 20% while clemency doesn't.

Clemency basically gives you 600 potency of enmity per target too, which is approximately the same as a flash (assuming you have missing hp to heal).

So... think of clemency as the aoe mana spender for paladin. You have to convince your healer to do the dps while you heal, but if you can you have a 1200 potency heal (1800 potency if you can heal someone else and recover your own hp as well), that gives you half of that potency in enmity, multiplied by shield oath, and allows your healer to use that gcd for aoe damage which is better than yours. The way to go about this in a pug is to be proactive - healers that are willing to dps will let you get a bit lower before they heal you generally, so just clemency before they do.

[eagledorf]

Healer DPS potential is greater than tank DPS for AoE (except Scholar. Lol, delete Scholar from the duty roulette) so you should prioritize Clemency over DPS for large pulls provided you have a healer who DPSes.

That's because casters deal higher damage for the same amount of potency to compensate for having no auto-attacks (I don't know if this is why SE did it this way, but that's how I think of it anyway). However, you only want to use Clemency over Holy Spirit if your healer is out of Assize/Tetragamaton or has already used Essential Dignity because these are essentially free healing.

[Faeon]

Snip.

I said "maybe", and if he leveled from 60 - 70 then he/she should know what uses the mp pool and what does not.

Going by the OP's comment I made my own, and I used an example about my experience that I had with a player that I happened to partner up with via RF, and it does not matter if you played prior in the ARR meta or HW meta. and your comment ""They must have used a jump potion" seems to be being used interchangeably with "they are bloody stupid and don't know how to read" quite a lot these days." I have not seen this type of comment made by someone yet. Weather he/she uses a Jump Pot is up to them, I don't really care. But you should atleast know how to play the basics of your Job, since Jump Positions does not jump you to 70, so what did you do between 60 - 70?

Clemency is situational, I found it better to pop it when a big aoe is coming in that will hit the entire group or on yourself as a tank buster hits, or to allow some extra healer dps in, but that has become rare I have noticed.

[ADVSS]

For what they did to WAR and DRK it seems that it isnt the tanks job at all to selkf heal, none. They took a majoritu of sel healing away from both, so clemency is totally optional

Meaning

Healers shouldnt even consider clemency as an option you should heal the tank no matter what. PLD has that ability, but it is the healers responsibility since you know, you might not get a paladin.

[ShariusTC]

For what they did to WAR and DRK it seems that it isnt the tanks job at all to selkf heal, none. They took a majoritu of sel healing away from both, so clemency is totally optional

i dont think so, clemency isnt option, it awesome, in HW you can only have 3 clemency before run out of MP and it can be interrupt, but in SB you can cast 5 of them before run out of MP and cant be interrupt, i use it alot in susano ex, when my other dps make some mistake and healer have to take care of them

[ADVSS]

i dont think so, clemency isnt option, it awesome, in HW you can only have 3 clemency before run out of MP and it can be interrupt, but in SB you can cast 5 of them before run out of MP and cant be interrupt, i use it alot in susano ex, when my other dps make some mistake and healer have to take care of them

im not arguing my point pld is not the only tank. and clemency is just an add on, it shouldnt be expected, nor assumed.

just like RDM shouldnt be expected to vercure or raise when healers feel like dpsing, its the healers responsibility now. Self sustainability isnt a tank trait anymore, only pld have that mega cure

[ShariusTC]

im not arguing my point pld is not the only tank. and clemency is just an add on, it shouldnt be expected, nor assumed.

yeah, maybe for some clemency is an option, but PLD shouldnt left their mp unuse, they gain way too much mp from their physical combo and should use it to spam holy spirit instead

[ADVSS]

yeah, maybe for some clemency is an option, but PLD shouldnt left their mp unuse, they gain way too much mp from their physical combo and should use it to spam holy spirit instead

well a good paladin would use it when necessary, i have to agree with you there