Question for all the salty tanks

[Genoreaper]

I see alot of posts from tanks raging if a dps or healer decides to pull some random mobs here and there. And from when I tanked I\\'ll admit that I kinda got sad when they survived these rogue pulls. Not that I wanted to fail, but because it made me feel like well...wtf, this is my job.

Now you know how it feels. The war nerf expecially had to happen. You had a god class that had sustain, burst, Self heals out the ass, and was pretty much best in game. Everyone crying for equality didn\\'t seem to mind when pld and drk were ignored in party comps for double war. The nerf needed to happen there\'s no reason you should be outdpsing dps roles, or healing yourself to that extent. Now your job is to tank, you have to rely on the party. Your damage was nice, but it was just bonus like healer dps. The problem is war should have never been that strong in the first place, so elevating all tanks to that level would have made it harder to make content but you still TANK just fine.

[ExKage]

Where's the question?

[Genoreaper]

There is none. But it would get them curious id hope, then they can read one person's perspective on how their tanking isn't broken. They just aren't god of all anymore.
Maybe one less person will make a complaining post about their dps.
Blm can't heal, and is the only caster without raise, but we aren't crying and we went through horrors in 3.0

[Gimorian401]

I havent tried WAR yet just looked at the abilities. Getting DRK to 70 was rough until everything clicked. WAR was a broken class, I mained WAR during 2.0 in 3.0 it was my off tanking class and yeah soloing bosses from 10% raid bosses at 2% was great but i can see the reason for the change. They are not useless but I know when I get to leveling it I will have to relearn the limits of the class just as I did with DRK. WAR shouldnt bitch about the changes. Your not SCH or SMN. They got the worst. We just have to relearn the class

[Sylvina]

Paladin is actually a decent class now, Warrior is still good, but tanks need their VIT damage scaling back no exceptions.

[Medicine]

Ehhh I'm fine with all the nerfs to WAR they were WAY to strong, my problem is how clunky they've become.

[Medicine]

Paladin is actually a decent class now, Warrior is still good, but tanks need their VIT damage scaling back no exceptions.

Holding aggro against two Samurai's or Red Mage's is annoying enough and it'll only get worse as time goes on, so I hope they figure something about soon.

[Yahallo]

I'm not a War main, and I don't think Tanking is fine in the long term with the current state of things. If this continues, it will become rather difficult for tanks to maintain aggro due to the damage gap between them and DPS, because damage generates enmity. Twelve forbid the DPS forgets to use their enmity reducer (or refuses to use them in some cases).

This isn't just a thing in the English community either; the Japanese community also wants some changes like going back to the Vit+Str damage calculation. There's a movement in both communities for changes.

A now 28 page thread from the Japanese Tank forums: http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...81%97%E3%81%84

[Genoreaper]

I'll agree that rdm and Sam numbers are too much, I get that se wants them used but they are op as well, (rdm hits like a truck) and is messing with party comps. It feels like they don't know what they want to do with tank stats, dropped str, then vit, they do need to figure something out there. Honestly I'm just tired of seeing people complain their war isn't topping dps, or might need outside heals now

[Kalocin]

I'm pretty certain all the tanks are talking about stat issues right now, such as the vit/str issue and also tenacity being absolutely worthless of a stat. Both War and Drk don't really care if Paladin is good right now, they just want their jobs either fixed or balanced properly. A simple example: Dark Knight's Dark Passenger's mana is too high, it's literally never used due to two abyssal drains being better. Likewise, if there's an enmity struggle now (Sam's take way too much threat, RDM do it too fast), then that's not a "git gud" thing, it's a balance problem that players are putting up with.

In general people need to get over this attitude of "you had your time in the sun so you deserve this". It's not like these players MADE anything weak or strong, it's the devs. Furthermore, telling people to shut up and play something they no longer like (but did), is incredibly rude and is a good enough reason as any to never tank for you or anyone else with said attitude.

If you guys want shorter queues, I don't get why you'd want to upset your tanks so much that they'd switch jobs (most to Sam as I've seen). Honestly, having all the tanks balanced and good seems like a pretty good move for the playerbase as a whole.