I quit

[Mnemosynia]

So what I'm seeing is healers adjusting to the healer changes (mostly) dps adjusting to dps changes (again, mostly) and tanks not wanting to adjust at all. "I cant keep hate in DPS stance spamming dps moves with the occasional emnity combo, tanking sucks now"

Idk what your saying about this alot of healers roled dps or roled AST, theres 341 page feedback thread on the healer boards if you wanna defend the game thats one thing but dont lie and pull shit out of you ass because reasons. And ofcourse your a samurai you would say something like that.

I also think monks are up in arms too i'm not to keen on of the dps forums the community is terrible there your a good example of that.

[Baci]

Didnt you want to quit? Why are you still here

[Mnemosynia]

Didnt you want to quit? Why are you still here

I did quit and i canceled my sub, i quit out of protest of the changes ill post on the forums to reverse those changes until 4.1, I actually enjoyed this game once and unlike most people i'm willing to put in the work so the devs and the producers make the changes we need, instead of sitting down and waiting for good things to happen, you should go and try to do something about it.

Also why are you here, in your pursuit of +1 epeen did you come in this thread to make a witty point that, that would make my post and everyone else post irrelevant? Your the worst kinda person just coming in to throw stones, leave this thread and never return.

[AdamZ]

And how they made WAR better MT exactly? We didn't get a single defensive ability in this expansion?
If you mean that they boosted dmg on IB and Defiance, I would say they had no choice considering they reverted attack power for tanks back to STR...

Second this, Pally and DRK have access to there full damage kit in tank stance, WAR does not. More then ever WAR is a OT. Not longer uses hate gaining combo, and with unchained and IR on shared cool you cant even open with a WAR unchained anymore.

[Chrono_Rising]

But your single target MP regen doesn't rely solely on Blood Price. And as a whole, it's much faster to refill your MP now, especially if you're under Grit.

I think the word you are looking for is only in grit, not especially. Syphon strike out of grit restores exactly the same amount of mp in proportion to a dark arts as it did previously. 2 syphon strikes = 1 Dark Arts. Blood weapon was buffed slightly in terms of how many actions it takes to get a dark arts (it takes 2.5 physical actions less now), but on the other hand they removed two physical oGCDs and removed the ability for us to have two sources of mp regeneration ticking at the same time. However, we no longer lose mp standing around converting oxygen into carbon dioxide in battle so I guess we sorta have more mp?

word limit, I apparently have too much to say always.

[AdamZ]

There's no more opportunity cost for utilizing Vengeance/Raw Intuition for their defensive capabilities instead of burning them for stacks. Also with a full gauge and Infuriate up if you don't have any other CDs available you can chain 3 Inner Beasts for 18s of uptime of one of our mitigation tools. With Intervention and The Blackest Night PLD/DRK can help mitigate in the OT role and PLDs damage has been increased so much that those two jobs actually now bring something to the OT role where previously WAR brought so much more to the OT role than they did that, while WARs were always good MTs, they were more often than not shoehorned into the OT.

WAR takes a much larger damage loss in tank stance compared to the other two. Basically can't use unchained, therefore losing it's big opening hate gain. If opening in tank stance, takes forever after then getting into dps stance to actually burst, making the timing with dps burst really bad (and delaying the use of IR a longggg time). Don't really see the point in Intervention and The Blackest, like yea that nice, but its not going to make the difference in say needing a tank swap or not.

[AdamZ]

Right? I'm a warrior here, and I absolutely love the instaqueues. If it continues, I will be able to get all three tanks to 70 no probs

When did tanks for 4 mans ever not have insta to less then 1 min ques?

[Chrono_Rising]

Single target in grit, syphon strike and blood price I think comes out to a postive amount of mp regen compared to before. Is it free? Nope, you gave up 25% of your dps for it, and though bloodspiller ignores this penalty you can only get it out once or twice every few combos.

[Reynhart]

I think the word you are looking for is only in grit, not especially.

Yes, and delirium...and the fact that Darkside doesn't drain your MP. That alone is a huge improvement

[Chrono_Rising]

Is TBN a dps gain in grit, yes most likely. Is it actually a gain when compared to stance dancing? Nope. Again, my reference is 8 man content, though I think this can be easily extended to dungeon bosses easily as well since the tank busters are minimal, with proper mitigation, and the damage they do otherwise is small and managable with a shield or regen.

Now compare this to paladin or warrior, who pay nothing for their buffs except following their rotation, and have mostly free mitigation (exception being warrior who seems to have to pay a very high cost for some of their kit). Then realize that after paying the penalty of not regening your mp, the cost in mp of boosting your damage, and the mp cost of mitigating using TBN. Taking all those costs into consideration, realize dark knights mitigate less than both tanks with on demand mostly free mitigation, and do less dps than those classes who have no penalty for their self buffs. This is not balance.