I quit

[Kaedan]

I was initially pissed that DRK had so much stolen from it, but after taking RDM to 70 and DRK to 67 (nearly at 68 for Bloodspiller), I'm not nearly as upset as I initially was.

I'm still angry they took our Low Blow and Reprisal and gimped the **** out of it, but it's not enough to get me to quit. Just gotta get used to a slightly different playstyle.

[YitharV2]

Why is everyone complaining about tank changes more towards actually tanking? This really makes no sense. It's called a tank for a reason. If you want big numbers play a dps maybe? Thanks for the instant Ques. Oh it's dumbed down? It's was easy before and still is now. Stance dancing? You found fun in trying to maximize your dps while tanking. Cool well it's over now. Stop crying and posting wasted space forum posts. Take your lowly 12.99 to Elder scrolls online so you can dps tank.

Rude much? People are complaining because they want to see changes, because they want to have fun. See comment as to why players don't want to just pure tank in just holding aggro, mitigating damage and positioning enemies. It's not good for the community if a lot of people stop playing tanks because queue times will just go up.

[Falar]

Dark passenger I can't defend, it was a weird choice on their part. Moving MP away from Blood Price and into Syphon Strike made ST better by far. Complaining about not being able to pull half a dungeon and survive doesn't make sense as this was without a doubt not intended. Which is also clearly why they removed bloodbath from Warriors. I think the blood price change is good as it makes MP gain more stable while tanking rather than the more sporadic gain in 3.X. Tanks are currently very balanced, as balanced as they have ever been in fact.

Blood Price MP returns in ST fight is a joke now. Who cares about dungeons? They are just there to speedrun as fast as possible since they give us content that requires us to run them 100s of times to complete. The new SSS shows DRK dead least in ST DPS for tanks. Also, there is some debate on this, but some people are saying the math means that Bloodspiller is actually a DPS loss to use due it being on the GCD and delaying the use of Syphon Strike.

Bloodspiller and Quietus need to come off the GCD.

[Valkyrie_Lenneth]

So what I'm seeing is healers adjusting to the healer changes (mostly) dps adjusting to dps changes (again, mostly) and tanks not wanting to adjust at all. "I cant keep hate in DPS stance spamming dps moves with the occasional emnity combo, tanking sucks now"

Shouldnt it be more optomizing hate/dps combo rotations and such? Aren't some of you supposed to be the elite tanks that show everyone how its done? yet now, instead of proving you are the best tanks, its back to strength gear so you can dps instead of learning how to deal with the changes. This is why we cant have nice things.

[Jhett_Magnum]

Not gonna lie, I got on monk and had more fun at 60 than DRK at 70

[YitharV2]

So what I'm seeing is healers adjusting to the healer changes (mostly) dps adjusting to dps changes (again, mostly) and tanks not wanting to adjust at all. "I cant keep hate in DPS stance spamming dps moves with the occasional emnity combo, tanking sucks now"

Shouldnt it be more optomizing hate/dps combo rotations and such? Aren't some of you supposed to be the elite tanks that show everyone how its done? yet now, instead of proving you are the best tanks, its back to strength gear so you can dps instead of learning how to deal with the changes. This is why we cant have nice things.

Eh, there were huge threads about Summoner and Scholar, just saying. It's not just tanks.

https://www.reddit.com/r/ffxiv/comme...voting_me_and/
https://www.reddit.com/r/ffxiv/comme...t_really_hard/

And there were threads about Monk and Dragoon.

https://www.reddit.com/r/ffxiv/comme...ok_at_40_monk/
https://www.reddit.com/r/ffxiv/comme...h_transitions/

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"Dealing with the changes" and not wearing STR accessories is just spamming aggro combo and AoE. It isn't hard. It just isn't fun. I mean, it's a literal fact that aggro is dependent upon damage. That's how tank stances work. So it's no surprise tanks are equipping STR gear. I don't see why you're putting them down when it's their skills that allow them to mitigate damage and survive despite having less HP.

[FallenWings]

So what I'm seeing is healers adjusting to the healer changes (mostly) dps adjusting to dps changes (again, mostly) and tanks not wanting to adjust at all. "I cant keep hate in DPS stance spamming dps moves with the occasional emnity combo, tanking sucks now"

Shouldnt it be more optomizing hate/dps combo rotations and such? Aren't some of you supposed to be the elite tanks that show everyone how its done? yet now, instead of proving you are the best tanks, its back to strength gear so you can dps instead of learning how to deal with the changes. This is why we cant have nice things.

The elite tanks are adjusting by wearing STR gear to deal with the changes.

[Dauntess]

Except they aren't dealing with the changes. My small FC lost a couple of healers and DPS who hate the changes. They just straight up quit and depending on what SE does, I'm not far behind them.

[Brannigan]

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It's not like you have to spam the hate combo in tank stance even in VIT accessories. I never picked up STR accessories in 3.4/3.5 (we quit raiding after like 13 alex clears) so I've just been using the available VIT stuff with weak STR V melds. After a very brief tank stance opener (2x combo) you can use Sword Oath on the primals and keep them just fine even without a ninja. You do have to use some of your hate combo every now and then, but for paladin that basically means looking at the rate your DPS are building enmity and tossing out a Halone combo when you can afford to give up the MP from the lost RA combo (and still make 100% in time for Requiescat).

In a fight where you can use Shirk you don't even have to do all that though. Tank swap->Shirk gives you the lead forever.

Gameplay-wise, I prefer this to "One Powerslash and Done" Gordias tanking since it actually feels like I have to react to the situation a little bit. Why even bother having the hate combos exist if we're not going to use them after the very first part of the fight?

[Reynhart]

Blood Price MP returns in ST fight is a joke now.

But your single target MP regen doesn't rely solely on Blood Price. And as a whole, it's much faster to refill your MP now, especially if you're under Grit.

Also, there is some debate on this, but some people are saying the math means that Bloodspiller is actually a DPS loss to use due it being on the GCD and delaying the use of Syphon Strike.

This is misinformation, there is no "delay" resulting in a DPS loss. What can be a DPS loss is spending too much MP on Blackest Night instead of Dark Arts, but that's without considering the times where TBN is used for mitigation, and that BloodSpiller ignore's the damage penalty.