I quit

[Vejitta]

There's no more opportunity cost for utilizing Vengeance/Raw Intuition for their defensive capabilities instead of burning them for stacks.

I'm sorry, but if 3.x MT Warrior used Vengeance and/or Raw Intuition for stacks, there was clearly something very wrong with him...

Also with a full gauge and Infuriate up if you don't have any other CDs available you can chain 3 Inner Beasts for 18s of uptime of one of our mitigation tools.

Fair enough, although this looks very far-stretched, considering that WAR will rather use gauge for Unchained and Upheaval if is MT single target and SC spam if tanking group.

With Intervention and The Blackest Night PLD/DRK can help mitigate in the OT role and PLDs damage has been increased so much that those two jobs actually now bring something to the OT role where previously WAR brought so much more to the OT role than they did that, while WARs were always good MTs, they were more often than not shoehorned into the OT.

I agree that DRK and PLD now bring some utility as OT, but they bring it also as MT. WAR bring nothing as OT, so in the end PLD/DRK or PLD/PLD becomes much better option.

[Hruodig]

I'm sorry, but if 3.x MT Warrior used Vengeance and/or Raw Intuition for stacks, there was clearly something very wrong with him...

You needed to burn either vengeance or raw int for the triple fell cleave combo. 30% damage mitigation is more valuable for a tank buster than guaranteed parries, so you used raw int for that extra stack.

[Mnemosynia]

To be fair, was there ever ANY danger of it NOT being instant?

Underrated post.

Tank community was always small, it got smaller yesterday and if this continues on it will be smaller tomorrow.

[Arkune]

Underrated post.

Tank community was always small, it got smaller yesterday and if this continues on it will be smaller tomorrow.

meh, i wouldnt take any bet about this. Alot People started leveling tanks now they were DPS before, the Forum community is probably less then 5% of the Playerbase, I am pretty sure that we also got new Players to the Game which doesnt care about the state of the Game in HW or ARR. I main Tank (DRK) and i enjoy the Gameplay, my GF started Tanking now as a WAR and she loves it (67 Now). Just because the Playstyle changed and Tanks arent supposed to be DPS whores anymore wont destroy the Game in first Place.

Sure the Forum War community is pissed about the changes, but we will see more PLDs now. Life has to go on, take it or leave it i guess. Thats the circle of MMORPGs, if Blizzard isnt in the position to Balance every Class and made them nearly equal, how do you think SE should handle this lol.

I guess the Tank community will remain at the Same Size and the Queue times for DPS will remain as it is now and like it was in HW. ARR times with 2 hours waiting time will probably not going to happen.

[DJMau]

Underrated post.

Tank community was always small, it got smaller yesterday and if this continues on it will be smaller tomorrow.

...I thought you quit. Why are you still posting?

[Derio]

I feel like DRK defensive kit needs to be reviewed. We lost 2 defense skills to role actions.

PLD is the only tank that didn't lose it's built in stun to role actions. And can block magic damage.

I can't believe how bad the queues have become and how many tank players quit

[P4X0R10N]

...I thought you quit. Why are you still posting?

Still had game time before sub expires. Why u being a jerk?

[P4X0R10N]

* he prolly still has gametime

[DJMau]

Still had game time before sub expires. Why u being a jerk?

It's not really being a jerk, just pointing out a hyprocrisy. If you quit a game you stop dealing with it entirely. Logging in, forums, everything. You don't stick around and continue to post. They're not going anywhere, just fishing for attention

[P4X0R10N]

It's just a human habit. I continued to read forums for games I no longer played in hopes of seeing news that the changes I was hoping for would materialize. When it didn't after some time, I eventually hot bored and really quit as in stopped thinking about it at all.

Maybe he didn't quit as you say.

He's in the process of quiting.

And I don't know if he's fishing for attention. I think he's just venting cuz he's disappointed.

Need to get it out and get some closure maybe...like breaking up with a gf...lol....

Addictions... hard to go cold turkey = p