I quit

[Conando]

I feel like the only tank that was actually messed up, significantly, was DRK just by the mere fact that they left it entirely the same while they made PLD significantly better and made WAR better at MT'ing.

[Vejitta]

I think quiting is a bit overkill.
Given the amount of voices about issues with tanking and with DRK/WAR tanks it seems inevitable for SE to at least make some statement about it soon.

I feel like the only tank that was actually messed up, significantly, was DRK just by the mere fact that they left it entirely the same while they made PLD significantly better and made WAR better at MT'ing.

And how they made WAR better MT exactly? We didn't get a single defensive ability in this expansion?
If you mean that they boosted dmg on IB and Defiance, I would say they had no choice considering they reverted attack power for tanks back to STR...

[Dement]

And how they made WAR better MT exactly? We didn't get a single defensive ability in this expansion?
If you mean that they boosted dmg on IB and Defiance, I would say they had no choice considering they reverted attack power for tanks back to STR...

There's no more opportunity cost for utilizing Vengeance/Raw Intuition for their defensive capabilities instead of burning them for stacks. Also with a full gauge and Infuriate up if you don't have any other CDs available you can chain 3 Inner Beasts for 18s of uptime of one of our mitigation tools. With Intervention and The Blackest Night PLD/DRK can help mitigate in the OT role and PLDs damage has been increased so much that those two jobs actually now bring something to the OT role where previously WAR brought so much more to the OT role than they did that, while WARs were always good MTs, they were more often than not shoehorned into the OT.

[Vejitta]

There's no more opportunity cost for utilizing Vengeance/Raw Intuition for their defensive capabilities instead of burning them for stacks.

I'm sorry, but if 3.x MT Warrior used Vengeance and/or Raw Intuition for stacks, there was clearly something very wrong with him...

Also with a full gauge and Infuriate up if you don't have any other CDs available you can chain 3 Inner Beasts for 18s of uptime of one of our mitigation tools.

Fair enough, although this looks very far-stretched, considering that WAR will rather use gauge for Unchained and Upheaval if is MT single target and SC spam if tanking group.

With Intervention and The Blackest Night PLD/DRK can help mitigate in the OT role and PLDs damage has been increased so much that those two jobs actually now bring something to the OT role where previously WAR brought so much more to the OT role than they did that, while WARs were always good MTs, they were more often than not shoehorned into the OT.

I agree that DRK and PLD now bring some utility as OT, but they bring it also as MT. WAR bring nothing as OT, so in the end PLD/DRK or PLD/PLD becomes much better option.

[Hruodig]

I'm sorry, but if 3.x MT Warrior used Vengeance and/or Raw Intuition for stacks, there was clearly something very wrong with him...

You needed to burn either vengeance or raw int for the triple fell cleave combo. 30% damage mitigation is more valuable for a tank buster than guaranteed parries, so you used raw int for that extra stack.

[AdamZ]

There's no more opportunity cost for utilizing Vengeance/Raw Intuition for their defensive capabilities instead of burning them for stacks. Also with a full gauge and Infuriate up if you don't have any other CDs available you can chain 3 Inner Beasts for 18s of uptime of one of our mitigation tools. With Intervention and The Blackest Night PLD/DRK can help mitigate in the OT role and PLDs damage has been increased so much that those two jobs actually now bring something to the OT role where previously WAR brought so much more to the OT role than they did that, while WARs were always good MTs, they were more often than not shoehorned into the OT.

WAR takes a much larger damage loss in tank stance compared to the other two. Basically can't use unchained, therefore losing it's big opening hate gain. If opening in tank stance, takes forever after then getting into dps stance to actually burst, making the timing with dps burst really bad (and delaying the use of IR a longggg time). Don't really see the point in Intervention and The Blackest, like yea that nice, but its not going to make the difference in say needing a tank swap or not.

[AdamZ]

And how they made WAR better MT exactly? We didn't get a single defensive ability in this expansion?
If you mean that they boosted dmg on IB and Defiance, I would say they had no choice considering they reverted attack power for tanks back to STR...

Second this, Pally and DRK have access to there full damage kit in tank stance, WAR does not. More then ever WAR is a OT. Not longer uses hate gaining combo, and with unchained and IR on shared cool you cant even open with a WAR unchained anymore.