I quit

[Yallaid]

To the tanks who want to go above and beyond, cool, but note that your dps is peanuts in the grand scheme of things. You'll end the encounter, maybe a couple of minutes faster. Big deal.

I can't help it -- I feel obligated to reply to this little snippet entirely on its own merits.

I don't understand why you're so dismissive of a Tank contributing to a 2ish minute faster clear time. That seems like a really significant effect for one player's efforts and I don't know why we would celebrate a change that removes that element from the game.

I can assure you, there is someone out there for whom that 2 minute faster clear is the holy grail, optimizing their performance towards that goal is their entire reason for playing and feeling motivated to play. In other words, it absolutely is a Big Deal to somebody out there, why do you dismiss their point of view so casually?

[Ogulbuk]

That's an argument I don't buy [that the game is boring because anyone is being "forced" into living in tank stance.] If your goal is to have fun stance-dancing, and squeezing out every inch of damage from each tank job, that ability is still there. You still can do a lot more damage if you opt to do that. You wont break game balance and do more damage than a DPS doing so, but that is claimed to not be the point.

I have issues with 4.0, but it's not that I cant do enough damage (I can solo stuff well enough, and as you said, I am viable at tanking.) My only concern in 4.0 is intra-balance among tanks. War may be viable, but relative to PLD and DRK, it is way behind.

[Falar]

Generally, 1/3 GCDs will be a SS (MP regen) or a SE (10 BB). Using Bloodspiller reduces this. Also, so many people saying "TBN is amazing!". Well, yes and no. I know none of the current dungeon bosses hit me hard enough to ever proc it and again, due to the nature of Bloodspiller being on the GCD the offensive benefit it gives is limited. Looking like the early math is pointing to TBN being a DPS loss when not in Grit at the very least.

It seems that "stance dancing" is more encouraged than ever now as well because BW+Delirium is just so much better than BP+Delirium. I know I always drop grit for it if Delirium is available.