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    Player
    vio_p's Avatar
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    Shizuno Urushibaa
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    Quote Originally Posted by Talraen View Post
    The effect this (overhealing being a penalty) would have on healers would be tremendous. In a bad way.
    in a good way it'd be nice to see some healers not panic aoe heal so much, admittedly it cant not be done for some dungeons / raids but there are some you just dont even need to aoe heal on.

    Quote Originally Posted by Qaaliaa View Post
    There is so much more to being a "good player' than numbers. NIN who remember to pass out goad to whomever needs it
    ninja's dont need to anymore, theres other dps who can do it which is one bonus, only thing ninja's will most likely have to deal with still is doing some heavy combo activity like before stormblood to have the best dps possible

    one thing about this idea i would like to point out are those types of players who take advantage of such things. this will cause a lot of players to probably focus on lower leveled dungeons if its giving extra exp.
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    Player Kosmos992k's Avatar
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    Kosmos Meishou
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    Paladin Lv 90
    PVP is competitive, and so is designed around rewarding the best performer. PvE is cooperative, the required for doing 'well' is clearing the content and obtainign whatever the rewards are.

    This strikes me in the same way as yesterday's topic where someone wanted some kind of rating system for dodging ability and specifically mentioned a game in which players compete with each other - Overwatch - as their inspiration.

    It seems too many want to bring competition to cooperative content. This is not a good thing IMHO. Perhaps you all missed your Sesame Street reruns and so never learned about 'cooperation'.
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    Machiko Lienwyn
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kosmos992k View Post
    PVP is competitive, and so is designed around rewarding the best performer. PvE is cooperative, the required for doing 'well' is clearing the content and obtainign whatever the rewards are.

    This strikes me in the same way as yesterday's topic where someone wanted some kind of rating system for dodging ability and specifically mentioned a game in which players compete with each other - Overwatch - as their inspiration.

    It seems too many want to bring competition to cooperative content. This is not a good thing IMHO. Perhaps you all missed your Sesame Street reruns and so never learned about 'cooperation'.
    Um.....let me get this straight: players trying to beat the same bar in order to get rewarded for "good performance" results in competition? Competitive games revolve around the mechanic of rewarding a player by subtracting something from another player. A player that has a high KD ratio means other players have died a lot. In the system I proposed, this is not the case as everyone could theoretically perform well and receive maximum rewards. In a competitive environment this is not possible because there is only one first place.

    .....so I'm sorry to say, your argument makes literally zero sense.

    Quote Originally Posted by Inuk9 View Post
    There is already a system for that. It is called comendation.
    Doesn't work. There is no objective universal reason to receive an commendation.
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    Vidu Moriquendi
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kosmos992k View Post
    PVP is competitive, and so is designed around rewarding the best performer. PvE is cooperative, the required for doing 'well' is clearing the content and obtainign whatever the rewards are.
    Despite me saying that it would be impossible to implement such a system in a decent way: you seem to miss the point here. The system wouldnt be "only the one who did best gets the bonus" (competitive) but rather "If you did well, you get a bonus specifically for you", rewarding those who're putting effort into their gameplay. No one race against their other partymembers but instead have an incentive to do well themself to earn extra-stuff - and that would be a good thing. Before you can cooperative you have to make sure that you know your own stuff, then you can focus on cooperative group-play.
    And beside the difficulties with the system there would be nothing wrong with giving people who performed well rewards - everyone in the dungeon can earn their own reward by trying their best and hardest to support the group and the run.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kosmos992k View Post
    PVP is competitive, and so is designed around rewarding the best performer. PvE is cooperative, the required for doing 'well' is clearing the content and obtainign whatever the rewards are.

    This strikes me in the same way as yesterday's topic where someone wanted some kind of rating system for dodging ability and specifically mentioned a game in which players compete with each other - Overwatch - as their inspiration.

    It seems too many want to bring competition to cooperative content. This is not a good thing IMHO. Perhaps you all missed your Sesame Street reruns and so never learned about 'cooperation'.
    I cannot POSSIBLY upvote you harder. I am not even going to add anything, just quote for great justice!
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    Quote Originally Posted by HyperSMB View Post
    I cannot POSSIBLY upvote you harder. I am not even going to add anything, just quote for great justice!
    Do you enjoy under-performing or did you completely miss the point? The system is NOT AT ALL COMPETITIVE.
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    Sylvina Eon
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lynart View Post
    Do you enjoy under-performing or did you completely miss the point? The system is NOT AT ALL COMPETITIVE.
    And you can take your elitist attitude elsewhere because the rest of us find it disgusting.
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    Lilila Lila
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sylvina View Post
    And you can take your elitist attitude elsewhere because the rest of us find it disgusting.
    And can you take your missing the point attitude elsewhere because people who read the thread find it silly.
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    Moro Murasaki
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    Zalera
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    I like this idea but I feel like they would make the healer one something not DPS related keeping the dev comments about DPS in mind which would piss me off to no end as a healer that isn't constantly topping people off. If it was scaled off of healer DPS contribution then awesome but if it was something dumb like average party health % it would reward poor playing which would force healers to choose between being good or getting extra loot/exp/whatever.
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    Ulyssi Ironside
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lynart View Post
    snip
    But then the bad people will complain about the rewards the good players are getting. Spent much time around these forums???
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