I was wondering, why does people count dps instead of total potency?

[Alistaire]

Easy answer: not everyone's gcd timer is the same. NIN has a speed boost, MNK has a different speed boost that ramps up, different gearsets have different skillspeed/spellspeed, also latency can delay your next skill when ogcd skills are used.

Why make the metric more vague (by saying potency) when all that does is make it more inaccurate? Damage per second is the exact metric needed and is as precise as such a metric can be.

[Yesui]

I would say the most important issue here, is that DPS directly corresponds to how easily you can complete content, whereas PPS does not. PPS is fine when comparing individual abilities, but when you take the different classes entire kits into consideration, it's important to consider real numbers vs real numbers(damage vs hp).

[Fannah]

No offense, but my title is so great you all seem to skip the posts and only answer to my title x)

On a SSS dummy, for exemple, timer can be easily taken in count.

I agree about the skill speed etc counting and changing a lot. But I also do remember I talked about potency per second too (look for "potency per second" in the previous page with ctrl+F)

And I talked about the equipment, I talked about why I even talked about the topic all along it :
--> People talk about balance on one single data brought by someone in monotarget dps under perfect conditions (not moving target, no invincibility/untargetable phases, no attack to dodge).
--> People post their score as they may have been just more lucky about crits than another one (number of crits + on what skill) making them looking better than tif they made the exact same gameplay but with less crits or on worse skills.
--> People could know if their rotation is technically better, which won't change because they have better gears or not.

Just once again to be sure, I do think DPS in important, you all seems to think I'm saying it's not.

[Eecka]

--> People talk about balance on one single data brought by someone in monotarget dps under perfect conditions (not moving target, no invincibility/untargetable phases, no attack to dodge).

Then these same people would simply look at the job that has the highest PPS and decide that one is OP without considering the other factors. The people who are quick to jump to conclusions based on a single piece of data will just use another single piece of data to jump to conclusions.

At the very least DPS is a practical stat while PPS is a theoretical one. I'd rather have people jump to conclusions based on something that directly tells how good of a job we're doing and not based on a theoretical number.

[Carstien]

You're trying to overcomplicate things for no reason. DPS is the damage you did, per second. It's literally all you need to know about your contribution to the fight. PPS is unreliable as it doesn't take into account the crits, the party buffs, the direct hits or anything else that has real fight applications.

There is no need for any other calculation as we already have one that works as intended, trying to change it or suggest another on top of that is a classic case of fixing something that isn't broken in the first place.

[Fannah]

You didn't read it too, as I repeat myself in several posts, and especially in my last one where I talk about the fact people ignore what I said and why I said this.
I do agree understanding potency looks more complicated, but if you read me, I said there would be a lot of differents data mentionned aside total potency (so yea, if we have +20% dmg, a skill with 200 will be counted as 240 potency, but also with a number reminding you you did 200 potency).

I do believe the way people about balance looks too casual overall. Even if some people completely make sense without having too deep data. Maybe it's too complicated for people overall, but it's not too complicated for people who really want to talk about balancing things.

Once more, I don't wanna get rid of DPS, as it's also an important data too.

[KaiSunstrider]

If you look at total potency over 3 mins vs taking total potency and dividing it by 180 seconds, they are the same relative thing? If you said SAM did 792,000 potency while NIN did 738,000 potency in 3 mins it would just be cumbersome to look at vs 4400 vs 4100 PPS. Its just a more concise way to report it?

[Fannah]

As I said, it is not only useful for this, but also to know if you did well as your own class.

If you do 738000 potency in 3 min with your samurai with 4100dps because you're ilvl 300, and another one does that same potency of 738000 with his samurai with 4400dps because he is ilvl314, it will mean you still played well, just need better gears, so you don't need to wait to have an optimal equipment to train your rotation for exemple.

I am surprised to see how much I've tried to use a maximum of information in very few text to be understood, and I find myself just repeating things again and again. Maybe I was not clear enough, and I'm sorry for this, if there are that many people who didn't understand me, then I guess it's my fault in the end. But I'm still wondering if people actually read what I wrote.

[KaiSunstrider]

If you do 738000 potency in 3 min with your samurai with 4100dps because you're ilvl 300, and another one does that same potency of 738000 with his samurai with 4400dps because he is ilvl314

I just dont understand i guess. How can you do 738,000 potency in 3 mins and with 4400 dps when 738,000/180sec = 4100 PPS? It is impossible to do the "Same potency" in the "same amount of time' and have diff PPS numbers. PPS = Total Potency done/Total amount of Time. If two people do the same potency in the same amount of time, it is mathmatically impossible for them to have different PPS/DPS

[Fannah]

Ah maybe we don't speak about the same total potency. I mean the base potency, like "Maim" of the War will always make 200 potency, even with a char lvl 30 which obviously never will inflict as much dmg as a ilvl 314 war which still only did 200 potency. Which explains the difference. But maybe did you mean the total potency of Maim with a crit wouldn't count as only 200 but like (for exemple) 350 potency thx to the crit?
And of course I believe both to be taken in count when talking about balance.