New PLD should learn how to use their mp effectly...!!!

[Faeon]

i dont think so, clemency isnt option, it awesome, in HW you can only have 3 clemency before run out of MP and it can be interrupt, but in SB you can cast 5 of them before run out of MP and cant be interrupt, i use it alot in susano ex, when my other dps make some mistake and healer have to take care of them

Ya true, I actually find using that allot, sometimes to top a healer off or player who got hit by a aoe they could not get out of in time.Or just as a tank buster hits, get that extra bit of heal in, use the tools, intervention pop that on your tank buddy for that extra mitigation for the incoming tank buster before the swap.

[Armoota]

For what they did to WAR and DRK it seems that it isnt the tanks job at all to selkf heal, none. They took a majoritu of sel healing away from both, so clemency is totally optional

Meaning

Healers shouldnt even consider clemency as an option you should heal the tank no matter what. PLD has that ability, but it is the healers responsibility since you know, you might not get a paladin.

It is optionals yes; doesnt mean u dont use it or put off. Some healers foucs heal on tank ignoring the dps or other healer. Giving help or heal last always appreciate the team work, plus clemency can heal 35-50% of target hp (dps/healer).

PLD is party protector not only tanking, and thats what like about pld.

[Armoota]

Clemency basically gives you 600 potency of enmity per target too, which is approximately the same as a flash (assuming you have missing hp to heal).

I always assume that clemency does increase on enmity just like ff11. Do you have prove about this, i could not find anything related to that?

[Furious]

I always assume that clemency does increase on enmity just like ff11. Do you have prove about this, i could not find anything related to that?

https://www.reddit.com/r/ffxiv/wiki/enmity

Healing gives enmity equal to 0.5 points per point healed, but to all aggroed targets. Clemency is a 1200 potency heal, ergo gives 600 potency of enmity (1800/900 if used on someone else and also healing yourself for 50%).

[Faeon]

I always assume that clemency does increase on enmity just like ff11. Do you have prove about this, i could not find anything related to that?

As Furious has said it does, when a healer heals you it generates enmity, so the same would be if you done it. To my knowledge, I don't think there is anything in the game that says if I heal "then dont gen hate"

[Furious]

As Furious has said it does, when a healer heals you it generates enmity, so the same would be if you done it. To my knowledge, I don't think there is anything in the game that says if I heal "then dont gen hate"

I think he means that clemency in FFXI has some sort of either enmity multiplier or perhaps a flat enmity amount? Bit hard to tell. Anyway as far as FFXIV is concerned, clemency is the same as any other heal with no intrinsic multiplier besides the healing 0.5 multiplier.

[Faeon]

I think he means that clemency in FFXI has some sort of either enmity multiplier or perhaps a flat enmity amount? Bit hard to tell. Anyway as far as FFXIV is concerned, clemency is the same as any other heal with no intrinsic multiplier besides the healing 0.5 multiplier.

Cheers for that.

[aqskerorokero]

I too see a lot of paladins do not even use holy spirit, it is a goddamn nuke, use it whatever possible or requiescat is off cd. unless you have to move or mitigate stuff.

But I guess old habits are hard to die...the 123,124 is imprinted in paladin's mind

[Faeon]

I too see a lot of paladins do not even use holy spirit, it is a goddamn nuke, use it whatever possible or requiescat is off cd. unless you have to move or mitigate stuff.

But I guess old habits are hard to die...the 123,124 is imprinted in paladin's mind

I wish it sounded better though

[AlexSag]

Clemency aside (because, for some reason, that winds up being a controversial discussion), the way PLD plays completely changed in SB. Previously, outside of aoe pulls, you didn't absolutely need to use MP. Now, because of how powerful the modifier for requiescat (my new favorite word) is, holy spirit is how PLD will do a large portion of our damage and MP management to make sure that MP is there as soon as requiescat is available, is a big part of the job. Unfortunately, there's not much in game that stresses this, and frankly, one can get away with the old method of tanking. I think these people will learn in time, and the best thing any of us can do is let ignorant PLD know that way the job plays has changed.