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    Quote Originally Posted by Faeon View Post
    I don't know maybe i am just overthinking it. But it sounds like a tank should be a dps with tank utilities? so you would have healer, pure dps, dps with defense abilties
    Yeah because being overly tanky and overhealing people won't help the group at killing the boss. Once you're good enough that you don't have to stay in tank stance or healing non stop you should contribute dps.
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    Well unlike dps, mitigation has a threshold, but if that threshold requires turtle tanking and is challenging enough I think I can be satisfied enough. If a boss hits so hard that I have to perfectly time inner beast or sheltron for every single cleave and tank busters need a few more cds on top of that, then yeah that sounds absolutely interesting to me.

    However in that case the difference between good tanks and average tanks would be the difference between clearing and not clearing so to be fair on top of that you'd have to put equally intense healing and dps checks (think gordias savage dps checks + midas savage mechanics/tanking/healing checks), and furthermore to avoid people outgearing the content it'll have to be designed assuming BiS sets on everyone. Now you'll get a really hard fight that actually needs tanks to turtle tank to survive, and also healers/dps to be on top of their game as well. The only way for this to happen is to put it as the super hard boss fight they mentioned during the live letters that we'll get in odd patches (which I'm really looking forward to, since the devs seem content with savage mode being as easy as creator).

    If perfect mitigation isn't required to clear then any extra mitigation like stacking shield you mentioned will be weighed against the extra healer dps you're affording your healers, and you'll get back to where we're at.
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    Last edited by aleph_null; 06-26-2017 at 11:49 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by aleph_null View Post
    However in that case the difference between good tanks and average tanks would be the difference between clearing and not clearing
    Not automatically. For example, if RoH would apply the cumulative shield I'd mentionned, you'd have PLDs that mainly accumulate shield again and again, to the point of "overshielding", and maybe put aside Royal Authority totally. As a good tank, you'd pinpoint the amount of shield you need. It would work pretty much like judging the perfect amount of enmity combos you need, except than overdoing it could be useful.

    You see, I totally support players optimizing their DPS, it just that stance dancing, for me, feels like an unatural and clunky way of doing it.
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    Kane Blackstone
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    They just need to add STR to our accessories now.

    Like the 2nd secondary, it would not be as high as the "primary" primary. Thus DPS would still have much more atk power plus all their other damage skills.

    I can't believe anyone would advocate turtle tanking. Talk about boring. I was surprised at how much I enjoyed tanking in this game because the damage was not so abysmal. Now that they take that away.......
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