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  1. #11
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    LunaFaye's Avatar
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    Luna Faye
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    Leviathan
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    Weaver Lv 51
    Sounds about correct. Is it right to treat someone like that? No it isn't but that isn't gonna stop people from doing tho. If it makes you feel better, most of these wannabe keyboard warriors, are also doing that to the veterans, don't feel singled out, happens to all of us
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  2. #12
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    Ferrasper's Avatar
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    Doctor Fumbles
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    Gilgamesh
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    Black Mage Lv 70
    It is rare for that to happen. Usually if a tank tries that, I respond back with the knowledge of the BLM dps thread on why I am doing things a certain due to buffs, nerfs, etc. Knowledge is power in shutting those people up. Also too as another BLM player, we usually suck pretty bad when we first try a boss or dungeon due to our lack of knowledge on how it functions. Due to our casting times, it requires several runs before we get the place locked down.
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  3. #13
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    Taika's Avatar
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    Purple Rain
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    Sophia
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    Arcanist Lv 32
    No one has the right to act like a jerk towards anyone in game, and even constructive critisism should be done, well, constructively. However, as you're playing current content at level cap, it's also impolite not to spend some time getting to know the basics of your job before joining group content (again, at level cap). There are actually good in game features that let you know if you can handle the basics: Stone, Sky, Sea for level 60 and Circles of Answering for level 70. If you have any questions about your rotation or abilities, I'm sure people here would be glad to help. There's also a thread dedicated to BLM discussion in the DPS section of these forums.
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  4. #14
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    Vidu Moriquendi
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    Odin
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    Bard Lv 90
    Quote Originally Posted by Redeyeuk View Post
    By several months I mean approx 2.5 months since I started playing. All I've been doing since then is leveling to get up to speed, but apprently from your perspective that means I should know the new rotations for max dps on every new encounter instantly. Got you.
    I was given tips while leveling to 60, and worked on what I was given and was reading up on the correct rotations to use and applying them. Those were always given in a constructive and helpful way.
    Those roations seem to have gone out the window with SB so I'm having to relearn as I've been leveling and trying to find time to read up on the new rotations between work and leveling.
    No, thats not what I meant - I'm aware I'm sounding a bit harsh, but my issue here is: I dont know what you considered "rude" already and wether ot not "dreadful" was actually an accurate description of your dps. Ofc you dont have to be perfect or anything but during my time with this game I've met people on level 60, in level 60 dungeons not being aware of the very basicis of their classes - BLMs not knowing how to handle their fire/ice; bards not using their dots; melees not caring about their positionals; healers spamming one healing-spell; tanks not using their aggro-skills... the list goes on and often the excuse you hear is "I'm new" - and I dont know wether or not thats the case here.
    I also dont know wether or not that tank simply told you in a not super-polite way that your dps wasnt great (and wether or not that was actually the case - because thats the problem here: as long as you were doing fine, he was even more in the wrong than just for parsing... but if your numbers actually are/were bad I can understand his frustration to a degree)

    If you're actually doing fine (may I suggest a SSS-visit, so you can check for yourself? I know they're like EX-primal-stuff and you dont have to beat it, but how far you get should give you an idea on how well you're doing overall), my advice would be to shrug it off - very few people will actually say something after all...

    I'll admit I'm really a bit torn here - on the hand we all should try to be polite and helpful as best as we can (and I'm sorry if I came of rude, I'll admit I wasnt to thrilled by your naming-shaming-thing, that brushed me off in a pretty negative way) but on the other hand I'm also of the believe that its everyones duty to look into their job and how to play it themself and not expect to be teached by random strangers in a highlevel dungeon.
    If something like that happens again though, I'd suggest to reply with "well, tell me what to do better then"
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    Last edited by Vidu; 06-26-2017 at 07:27 AM.

  5. #15
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    Thorio Windborn
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    Hyperion
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    Gunbreaker Lv 90
    Bad luck I guess. No one parsed me in the 650 or so hours I've been playing.
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  6. #16
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    Junpei Iorii
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    Sargatanas
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    White Mage Lv 60
    Quote Originally Posted by Thorio View Post
    Bad luck I guess. No one parsed me in the 650 or so hours I've been playing.
    How are you finding old 2017 topics lmao?
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  7. #17
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    Kranel_San's Avatar
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    Krann Starwarden
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    Zodiark
    Main Class
    Reaper Lv 100
    Quote Originally Posted by Redeyeuk View Post
    Well I've only been playing a few months, having just managed to get through the MSQ before SB arrived, and now just managed that.

    Before SB changes I'd just got the hang of my rotation on BLM, so SB changes are giving me a few issues at the moment with having to try and relearn it.

    Just did Kugane Castle and got a load of abuse from the tank telling me my DPS is dreadful and I need to learn to play my class. He apparently was using some sort of parse to know what everyones dps was.

    Is this normal for new players to experience? To get a load of crap from people who've been playing a long time? I don't mind constructive tips to improve as I know I'm new to the game, but outright targetted abuse just makes me question investing any time into the character.

    If this is the 'norm' then the ingame community is just as bad as WoW's and that was like a cesspool.
    If someone did that again, you could easily report them and they'll get a ban. That's why you don't see people talking about DPS in dungeons as frequent as players do in WoW
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  8. #18
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    Broken Wind
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    Zurvan
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    Ninja Lv 50
    Quote Originally Posted by Vidu View Post

    Please realise though that level 70 with several months of playing means you're not new anymore and actually expected to perform well on your basic class rotations and such. If you're unsure: Please look up guides, find BLMs to ask for advice, play around with your class on a dummy or something - but stop using that excuse in a level 70 dungeon.
    Telling someone to look up a guide for a level 70 rotation is quite excessive and 100% unreasonable. please realise your expectations are ridiculous.
    Its a dungeon. Not a savage raid. read the tooltips will suffice.
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  9. #19
    Player IdowhatIwant's Avatar
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    Jimbo Jimbo
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    Gilgamesh
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    Summoner Lv 90
    Quote Originally Posted by Broken_Wind View Post
    Telling someone to look up a guide for a level 70 rotation is quite excessive and 100% unreasonable. please realise your expectations are ridiculous.
    Its a dungeon. Not a savage raid. read the tooltips will suffice.
    How is that unreasonable. Why play a game if you don't want to learn to play the game? The way they make the DPS rotations is easier to understand than reading the tooltips, it's just pictures and arrows so that even the most stupid illiterate people can understand how to play. The only reason there is to not look up a rotation or learn to play, is just that you are either lazy or don't care, so don't expect people to cater to you.

    Holy ass, do people even play video games anymore? Am I missing something here?

    Next thing you know it a new 2D Mario will come out, and people will say it is unreasonable that Nintendo expects me to both move to the right and jump at the same time as I should not be required to learn to time my jumps.

    If you feel this way please do us all a favor and just stop playing video games.
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    Last edited by IdowhatIwant; 05-03-2022 at 05:10 AM.

  10. #20
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    Chekopacheko's Avatar
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    Pacheko Cheko
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    Hyperion
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    Paladin Lv 90
    Quote Originally Posted by Broken_Wind View Post
    Telling someone to look up a guide for a level 70 rotation is quite excessive and 100% unreasonable. please realise your expectations are ridiculous.
    Its a dungeon. Not a savage raid. read the tooltips will suffice.

    You replied to a 5 year old post, I'm guessing level 70 at that time was max level, so not totally unreasonable
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