Is Tenacity working as intended?

[Zojha]

I think this is bugged, it does not make sense that they would add this in this state since it was to get rid of parry and be beneficial stat that is unique to tanks etc.

Knowing SE, they probably didn't even expect people to go and look "how much" it increased the stuff it is said to increase. They're trying to hide that sort of stuff after all.
According to the stat weights at the time, most of the i280 Diadem weapons needed around 100 of "any" useful secondary (Read: Anything not piety or parry) to pull even with the Anima and Yoshida went ahead in an interview to tell people they are just plain worse.

Pretty sure they figured just telling people:"Hey, this new thing not only makes you harder to kill, it also increases your damage, YOUr DAMAGE! The thing you've always been after! Isn't that cool? Hey, are you listening?!"
would suffice.

[Claire_Pendragon]

I would be perfectly fine with Tenacity being worse than DET, if it were at least roughly 90-95% of what DET is worth, this way the endgame amount of Tenacity stacked might add like 3% dmg mitigation, plus nearly the amount of DPS increase of DET.

(Not that everyone would agree, but id be pretty comfy with it)

[Shurrikhan]

And the sad thing is they are putting it all over our equipment.

Someone at the dev table must have thought this was supposed to be some sort of lewd comment. And effected changes to make it feel like one.

On topic: I feel like the combined defensive and offensive multipliers of Tenacity ought to be some 30% to 60% higher than Determination's offensive multipliers alone. But even then, once finally viable (for MT position or forced swaps), I'd still consider it flawed on principle. Why have a stat that at all forces your % contribution towards taking hits. You're already specialized as a tank. Why specialize further towards MT (or, by exclusion, OT) beyond best use of toolkit?

[YitharV2]

Knowing SE, they probably didn't even expect people to go and look "how much" it increased the stuff it is said to increase. They're trying to hide that sort of stuff after all.
According to the stat weights at the time, most of the i280 Diadem weapons needed around 100 of "any" useful secondary (Read: Anything not piety or parry) to pull even with the Anima and Yoshida went ahead in an interview to tell people they are just plain worse.

I remember Yoshi-P saying "anima weapons are the strongest" and people trying to defend him.

https://www.reddit.com/r/ffxiv/comme...e_yet/df3hh4a/

And people were like "oh you need to listen to what he said in context". I heard what he said and I agreed with him on the RNG aspect. That still doesn't mean that i280 weapons > i275 weapons. Like, he literally said strongest instead saying it's your best bet or something.

[Ulthimar]

Well, apparently this is "Not a Bug Report" since the thread was moved to that area.

http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...ng-as-intended

[Pileus_Storm]

I think this game is a bit too complex for ppl who like shiny things.
For example, These attributes work in combination or they simply compliment one another. Kind of like the old attributes DEX and STR. One triggered a block the other mitigated damage when a block occured. So, the players said NOPE because it doesn't work well for a job that has no blocking ability (WAR). So now we are here with Tenacity and ppl are loading up on TEN not even applying it how it's defined because the only thing that matters is that shiny thing called damage. TEN mitigates damage as well, so the numbers are probably low to balance both damage being dealt and mitigated. But wait, there is another attribute to account for called DET. It also increases damage being dealt. Yet, there's another attribute that increases that called DIRECT HIT(!) and it is increased by another attribute CRITICAL HIT(!!). When ppl apply all this and don't get high results then they have something to complain about.

[Kabooa]

Saying FF14 has a complex stat system just made my day. Thank you. I haven't laughed that hard in a while.

[Pileus_Storm]

Saying FF14 has a complex stat system just made my day. Thank you. I haven't laughed that hard in a while.

That was the intention.

[Lewtskie]

Yet, there's another attribute that increases that called DIRECT HIT(!) and it is increased by another attribute CRITICAL HIT(!!). When ppl apply all this and don't get high results then they have something to complain about.

But... Crit doesn't have any impact whatsoever on DH. They are two wholly independent stats that can merely stack if the rng lines up right. It's the DH that crits, its that your attack both registered a DH and a Crit. And its easy to see the flaw in your idea that both would need to work in conjunction, because both would need reliable weights unto themselves and right now one is gimped and another is still 'okay'. Besides that, if they are now pushing for Tanks to only have both for there to be significant effect... then they need to just stop.

[Pileus_Storm]

But... Crit doesn't have any impact whatsoever on DH. They are two wholly independent stats that can merely stack if the rng lines up right. It's the DH that crits, its that your attack both registered a DH and a Crit. And its easy to see the flaw in your idea that both would need to work in conjunction, because both would need reliable weights unto themselves and right now one is gimped and another is still 'okay'. Besides that, if they are now pushing for Tanks to only have both for there to be significant effect... then they need to just stop.

So the idea you have is to use the HIT stat you want to use? Not get both. Just one? So you would choose whichever one gave you the highest damage and highest rates of HITS? In my perspective, if you can increase your DIRECT HIT you can also increase your CRITICAL HIT. The flaw is in your logic to think they are independent when they are in the same group of properties. That's like saying DET doesn't effect DIRECT HIT or CRITICAL HIT and it shouldn't affect the output of damage done from ATTACK POWER. This is why I made my comment.