Tanks are fine (show your support so they don't change them)

[Ferrasper]

I mean, I guess, but then what is YOUR personal utility as the one playing the class? You can't just be sitting back there like a glorified Pokemon trainer while your pet does all the work for you. You'd either have to bring DPS or support yourself or else you're just dead weight that brings along a far more useful AI companion. Again, I feel that eliminates the point of being designated as a Tank class in and of itself.

You can bring utility and dps while you are managing your pet.

[Kinkoz]

You can bring utility and dps while you are managing your pet.

Yes, which makes you decidedly not a Tank.

Semantics.

Considering this game's adherence to the Trinity, they're important semantics. And I'm not saying anything like what you're implying at all – merely stating that a DPS/support job having Tank functionality does not make them a Tank. Besides, considering that all of these functions are handled just as easily by a Summoner's Titan-Egi, then Summoner seems to be the answer to these grievances about having a ranged-based Tank, provided that you really want to go down that route.

[Ferrasper]

Yes, which makes you decidedly not a Tank.

/sigh You control the pet which makes you a tank. You may not think it, but it does make you one because you have complete control of it. I am done with this conversation now because you have what a "tank" is in your mind, and there is no changing that.

[Kinkoz]

/sigh You control the pet which makes you a tank. You may not think it, but it does make you one because you have complete control of it.

I know you said you were done, but your rebuttal begs the question: Does that make Summoner a Tank, then?

[Ferrasper]

I know you said you were done, but your rebuttal begs the question: Does that make Summoner a Tank, then?

If they gave more abilities and controls to the titan Egi allowing the SMN to have more agro skills with it, then I would say yes it would qualify as a tank.

[Kinkoz]

If they gave more abilities and controls to the titan Egi allowing the SMN to have more agro skills with it, then I would say yes it would qualify as a tank.

But, see, you had to tack on an additional qualifier to make your case, which means that, as the Job currently stands, Summoner is not a Tank. Nor would it likely be made such even with additions to the abilities of Titan-Egi, but that's just my speculation based on the functions of its other combat pets.

I mean, Monk has a defensive stance and CAN certainly tank for a short time in a party under very extreme circumstances, but that doesn't necessarily qualify it to fill a dedicated Tank role in a party. Not with the way roles currently work in game.

If they took away PLDs ability to move at all during combat, removed all but savage blade, flash, and invincible, but instead gave u a pet that did DPS levels of damage, would you be invited to groups as a tank or a DPS?
My answer depends on your answer.

You're throwing out an awfully abstract and unlikely example there, but Paladin would probably be made a DPS instead of a Tank if that were the case.

Again, I feel like you're both overlooking the fact that this game adheres strictly to the Trinity, but it's not my intent to argue the necessity, benefits, and detriments of that role Trinity structuring. That can be saved for another discussion entirely as I have no vested interest in that particular matter.

[Ferrasper]

But, see, you had to tack on an additional qualifier to make your case, which means that, as the Job currently stands, Summoner is not a Tank. Nor would it likely be made such even with additions to the abilities of Titan-Egi, but that's just my speculation based on the functions of its other combat pets.

I mean, Monk has a defensive stance and CAN certainly tank for a short time in a party under very extreme circumstances, but that doesn't necessarily qualify it to fill a dedicated Tank role in a party. Not with the way roles currently work in game.

I never said SMN was a tank though. That was someone else. Could they become one with added stuff? Sure, but I wouldn't recommend it. I think a puppetmaster would be a better tank then SMN. I was just answering you if they could become one.

[Claire_Pendragon]

I know you said you were done, but your rebuttal begs the question: Does that make Summoner a Tank, then?

If they took away PLDs ability to move at all during combat, removed all but savage blade, flash, and invincible, but instead gave u a pet that did DPS levels of damage, would you be invited to groups as a tank or a DPS?
My answer depends on your answer.

(In case the direction of my post isnt aparrent, I'll also add in; the pet can dodge mechanics and do all of the mechanics just fine, can do limit breaks, cant be easily targetable by healers, w/o losing their focus target on the boss, to see when the boss uses tank busters, the PLD wouldnt be able to use cool downs for every tank buster, the PLD cant hold hate on trash mobs if the DPS are trying even remotely, unless they wait 30-60s before they start attacking, the amount of dmg mitigated is now lower than a tank in DPS stance not using CDs, the PLD cant voke off another tank, to try and do tank swaps. So on, and so forth. Shoudl PLD be able to queue as a Tank, or a DPS?)