Tanks are fine (show your support so they don't change them)

[Ferrasper]

But, then, you're not the one doing the tanking – your combat pet is. Which makes you filling in a Tank role rather worthless since you're essentially a DPS (or support) either way.

A tanks job is to make sure the enemy isn't hitting the healer or dps, so who cares if your pet is tanking the mobs. As long as it has the agro, it is doing the job of a tank with you pulling the strings on how it does it.

[Kinkoz]

A tanks job is to make sure the enemy isn't hitting the healer or dps, so who cares if your pet is tanking the mobs. As long as it has the agro, it is doing the job of a tank with you pulling the strings on how it does it.

I mean, I guess, but then what is YOUR personal utility as the one playing the class? You can't just be sitting back there like a glorified Pokemon trainer while your pet does all the work for you. You'd either have to bring DPS or support yourself or else you're just dead weight that brings along a far more useful AI companion. Again, I feel that eliminates the point of being designated as a Tank class in and of itself.

[Ferrasper]

I mean, I guess, but then what is YOUR personal utility as the one playing the class? You can't just be sitting back there like a glorified Pokemon trainer while your pet does all the work for you. You'd either have to bring DPS or support yourself or else you're just dead weight that brings along a far more useful AI companion. Again, I feel that eliminates the point of being designated as a Tank class in and of itself.

You can bring utility and dps while you are managing your pet.

[Kinkoz]

You can bring utility and dps while you are managing your pet.

Yes, which makes you decidedly not a Tank.

Semantics.

Considering this game's adherence to the Trinity, they're important semantics. And I'm not saying anything like what you're implying at all – merely stating that a DPS/support job having Tank functionality does not make them a Tank. Besides, considering that all of these functions are handled just as easily by a Summoner's Titan-Egi, then Summoner seems to be the answer to these grievances about having a ranged-based Tank, provided that you really want to go down that route.

[Ferrasper]

Yes, which makes you decidedly not a Tank.

/sigh You control the pet which makes you a tank. You may not think it, but it does make you one because you have complete control of it. I am done with this conversation now because you have what a "tank" is in your mind, and there is no changing that.

[Kinkoz]

/sigh You control the pet which makes you a tank. You may not think it, but it does make you one because you have complete control of it.

I know you said you were done, but your rebuttal begs the question: Does that make Summoner a Tank, then?

[Ferrasper]

I know you said you were done, but your rebuttal begs the question: Does that make Summoner a Tank, then?

If they gave more abilities and controls to the titan Egi allowing the SMN to have more agro skills with it, then I would say yes it would qualify as a tank.

[Claire_Pendragon]

I know you said you were done, but your rebuttal begs the question: Does that make Summoner a Tank, then?

If they took away PLDs ability to move at all during combat, removed all but savage blade, flash, and invincible, but instead gave u a pet that did DPS levels of damage, would you be invited to groups as a tank or a DPS?
My answer depends on your answer.

(In case the direction of my post isnt aparrent, I'll also add in; the pet can dodge mechanics and do all of the mechanics just fine, can do limit breaks, cant be easily targetable by healers, w/o losing their focus target on the boss, to see when the boss uses tank busters, the PLD wouldnt be able to use cool downs for every tank buster, the PLD cant hold hate on trash mobs if the DPS are trying even remotely, unless they wait 30-60s before they start attacking, the amount of dmg mitigated is now lower than a tank in DPS stance not using CDs, the PLD cant voke off another tank, to try and do tank swaps. So on, and so forth. Shoudl PLD be able to queue as a Tank, or a DPS?)