Why Shirk?

[Lyrai_Celestine]

The annoying thing about shirk is that it further trivializes tanking. It basically removes your enmity combo so now you just spam the same 3 buttons while tanking.

Truthfully, that's not the case. We've been worrying about using emnity combo in a long time, and seasoned tanks know that using as many DPS combos as possible while staying alive, is key to excellence after getting used to the mechanics. Being able to remove our emnity combo with Shirk allows us to increase our DPS output just because we don't need to worry about generating emnity entirely.

This is what I do in Susano EX after clearing, and I have been using more Sword Oath to increase my DPS output with each clear. Same goes to every tank swapping mechanic. (Oh, and no, we're not pressing 3 buttons as a tank. We're using waay more than 3 buttons!)

In Lakshmi EX, it has a special rule for tanks being the 1st and 2nd on the Emnity list, so early on, Shirk is a nice utility used the same way as Shadewalker by simply transferring the emnity you got to the MT to get way up, and then Provoke to be on around the same level. No one can catch up to that amount of emnity

[Kniteroad]

In Lakshmi EX, it has a special rule for tanks being the 1st and 2nd on the Emnity list, so early on, Shirk is a nice utility used the same way as Shadewalker by simply transferring the emnity you got to the MT to get way up, and then Provoke to be on around the same level. No one can catch up to that amount of emnity

yes this! I feel like in every pug I was the only one that did this. and there are so many posts here about Shirk and tank swaps. It's not JUST ABOUT TANK SWAPS. if you use both shirk and voke correctly neither tank has to sit in tank stance except for busters. That's ALOT more dps your putting out which for prog will help preventing that enrage and eventually to skip some mechanics. Please people take shirk for 8-man.

[Yorumi]

Truthfully, that's not the case. We've been worrying about using emnity combo in a long time, and seasoned tanks know that using as many DPS combos as possible while staying alive, is key to excellence after getting used to the mechanics. Being able to remove our emnity combo with Shirk allows us to increase our DPS output just because we don't need to worry about generating emnity entirely.

I know exactly what it does, my point is it turns tanking even more into a 3 button game. Just keep on spamming that same 3 button dps combo over and over and over and over and over again cause god forbid anything in sb have the tiniest bit of complexity to it or some brain dead amputee might not be able to do an ex primal. Not that tanking was ever complicated but at least you had to be conscious of enmity before.

[dragonseth07]

I know exactly what it does, my point is it turns tanking even more into a 3 button game. Just keep on spamming that same 3 button dps combo over and over and over and over and over again cause god forbid anything in sb have the tiniest bit of complexity to it or some brain dead amputee might not be able to do an ex primal. Not that tanking was ever complicated but at least you had to be conscious of enmity before.

Yeah, my shiny new DPS rotation with a DoT, filler, magic burst phase, etc. is way simpler than the old hate rotation of RoH, RoH, RoH...

[Yorumi]

Yeah, my shiny new DPS rotation is way simpler than the old hate rotation of RoH, RoH, RoH...

You know it's really not cute doing this, no one likes it. Now if I'm complaining about a class being a 3 button class, does it take much brain power to figure out that obviously I'm not concerned about which 3 buttons I'm using but that it's 3 buttons only? Perhaps you can try a little harder next time.

[dragonseth07]

You know it's really not cute doing this, no one likes it. Now if I'm complaining about a class being a 3 button class, does it take much brain power to figure out that obviously I'm not concerned about which 3 buttons I'm using but that it's 3 buttons only? Perhaps you can try a little harder next time.

I'd give you credit if it was 3 buttons, or even close to that. My DPS rotation is 5 GCD's, 2 buffs for two totally independent phases, and 2 OGCD nukes.

Yes, Enmity combo has another GCD to add, but the rotations aren't quite as braindead as you make them out to be.

[Yorumi]

Yes, Enmity combo has another GCD to add, but the rotations aren't quite as braindead as you make them out to be.

Yes it is. 7 buttons on a 2.5 sec gcd in a totally fixed rotation is brain dead.

[Fate_Testarossa]

It reads like that Ninja ability but is a Tank exclusive. It makes sense to be used on an off tank. But I don't think an off Tank in offensive mode can generate enough enmity for it to matter. It makes sense for a Healer or Dps to toss enmity to the Tank. Or better, if it took 25% from a target instead. Its such a specific situational trait was there any reason why this would be considered a use full for a tank in the current set up? Aside from putting it on that one guy that's been criticizing the tank.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PB6zlH172Xs&t=6s <-- This might clear some things up. It does NOT work like Shadewalker. It's a huge difference.