Why Shirk?

[samanator13]

Technically? With Shirk, you don't even have to stay in Tank Stance. If Healers are on point, Both Tanks can be in DPS Stance and not have to worry about aggro, only needing to swap to Tank Stance for TBs. I know because I've done Susan EX and with my Co-Tank, shirking between us let me stay in Deliverance for almost the whole fight. He probably could've taken off Grit and be fine but one can never be too careful around unsuspecting Healers.

tl;dr Shirk could potentially be an overall DPS Increase, and

Shirk is how you high five the other tank for the tag out. They raise their hand up with provoke and you tag it with shirk. Don't leave them hanging.

[Yorumi]

The annoying thing about shirk is that it further trivializes tanking. It basically removes your enmity combo so now you just spam the same 3 buttons while tanking.

[Falar]

The annoying thing about shirk is that it further trivializes tanking. It basically removes your enmity combo so now you just spam the same 3 buttons while tanking.

That's why I love it. It is great not having to use the enmity combo, at least for Dark Knight since it neither generates MP, Blackblood, and is a DPS loss.

Less Power Slash combos is a great thing for us.

[Lambdafish]

The annoying thing about shirk is that it further trivializes tanking. It basically removes your enmity combo so now you just spam the same 3 buttons while tanking.

You are wrong, it adds extra dynamics to enmity management, giving tanks a skill that both gives and takes away enmity. Lakshmi had my favourite interaction with shirk (especially pre enmity buff), where you needed to maintain second on the hate list. This is the most I have felt like a relevant offtank in a long time, needing to stay below the MT, but also outenmity that SAM that is going ham, use of shirk to lose enmity off myself was great.

[Lyrai_Celestine]

The annoying thing about shirk is that it further trivializes tanking. It basically removes your enmity combo so now you just spam the same 3 buttons while tanking.

Truthfully, that's not the case. We've been worrying about using emnity combo in a long time, and seasoned tanks know that using as many DPS combos as possible while staying alive, is key to excellence after getting used to the mechanics. Being able to remove our emnity combo with Shirk allows us to increase our DPS output just because we don't need to worry about generating emnity entirely.

This is what I do in Susano EX after clearing, and I have been using more Sword Oath to increase my DPS output with each clear. Same goes to every tank swapping mechanic. (Oh, and no, we're not pressing 3 buttons as a tank. We're using waay more than 3 buttons!)

In Lakshmi EX, it has a special rule for tanks being the 1st and 2nd on the Emnity list, so early on, Shirk is a nice utility used the same way as Shadewalker by simply transferring the emnity you got to the MT to get way up, and then Provoke to be on around the same level. No one can catch up to that amount of emnity

[Kniteroad]

In Lakshmi EX, it has a special rule for tanks being the 1st and 2nd on the Emnity list, so early on, Shirk is a nice utility used the same way as Shadewalker by simply transferring the emnity you got to the MT to get way up, and then Provoke to be on around the same level. No one can catch up to that amount of emnity

yes this! I feel like in every pug I was the only one that did this. and there are so many posts here about Shirk and tank swaps. It's not JUST ABOUT TANK SWAPS. if you use both shirk and voke correctly neither tank has to sit in tank stance except for busters. That's ALOT more dps your putting out which for prog will help preventing that enrage and eventually to skip some mechanics. Please people take shirk for 8-man.

[Yorumi]

Truthfully, that's not the case. We've been worrying about using emnity combo in a long time, and seasoned tanks know that using as many DPS combos as possible while staying alive, is key to excellence after getting used to the mechanics. Being able to remove our emnity combo with Shirk allows us to increase our DPS output just because we don't need to worry about generating emnity entirely.

I know exactly what it does, my point is it turns tanking even more into a 3 button game. Just keep on spamming that same 3 button dps combo over and over and over and over and over again cause god forbid anything in sb have the tiniest bit of complexity to it or some brain dead amputee might not be able to do an ex primal. Not that tanking was ever complicated but at least you had to be conscious of enmity before.

[dragonseth07]

I know exactly what it does, my point is it turns tanking even more into a 3 button game. Just keep on spamming that same 3 button dps combo over and over and over and over and over again cause god forbid anything in sb have the tiniest bit of complexity to it or some brain dead amputee might not be able to do an ex primal. Not that tanking was ever complicated but at least you had to be conscious of enmity before.

Yeah, my shiny new DPS rotation with a DoT, filler, magic burst phase, etc. is way simpler than the old hate rotation of RoH, RoH, RoH...

[Yorumi]

Yeah, my shiny new DPS rotation is way simpler than the old hate rotation of RoH, RoH, RoH...

You know it's really not cute doing this, no one likes it. Now if I'm complaining about a class being a 3 button class, does it take much brain power to figure out that obviously I'm not concerned about which 3 buttons I'm using but that it's 3 buttons only? Perhaps you can try a little harder next time.

[DJMau]

So true. Especially since the dps and healers don't generate enmity and can run a risk of ripping aggro and having their faces eaten off in a heartbeat. Oh, wait...