WAR is Trash Tier Now

[bounddreamer]

Ok, so that's how you define "Trash Tier". The community will define it differently. TLDR: It's not impossible, but that alone does not rescue WAR from being trash.

Lack of sustain requires more Storm's Path and Inner Beast and less enmity and DPS. Keeping aggro itself is harder with Warrior (depending on the pull you waste GCDs putting you behind in DPS and/or sustain based mitigation). No 360 AOE enmity generator...

That was where I stopped paying attention to you. What do you think steel cyclone is?

Throwing around reactive terms like trash tier exaggerates the discourse. Competent tanks and good warriors can still play the job well, and I know I'm not alone in that. Complaints about lack of added utility aside, it's still both a good main tank and off tank. Are there things that could be improved? Absolutely. Is my raid team demanding I switch to DRK? No. Am I going to bring it into Omega? That depends. I'll certainly get it ready as a backup plan, but we've had zero issues clearing and farming the content available so far.

Give Square feedback on job improvements by all means, but this kind of inflammatory rhetoric drags down the whole argument and leads to people kicking or excluding good tanks for no reason.

[CaptnYesterday]

That was where I stopped paying attention to you. What do you think steel cyclone is?
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(Followed by autistic screeching and virtue signaling rants about how we all just need to WAR better "like me"

I think I paraphrased pretty well . Yeah, obviously steel cyclone. That should be obvious in any case. My point is still valid and the community agreed. Sorry for your feelings.

[BluexBird]

I'm not sure if this has been said yet. I'm seeing lots of complaints about Warrior and how it should be changed, and then a bunch of people commenting on how "Warrior is fine" and still playable. But see, that's not the problem. It doesn't matter if Warrior can tank properly. The fact of the matter is that currently, Paladin and Dark Knight just bring so much to the table, that a lot of people will deem it pointless to ever have a Warrior in their party. And THAT'S the problem. When you start having parties discriminate against Warriors on their party finder settings, I think that's when something should be done. I feel like people will rather have DRK/PLD or even dual PLD than have a Warrior.

[Felorr]

The fact of the matter is that currently, Paladin and Dark Knight just bring so much to the table, that a lot of people will deem it pointless to ever have a Warrior in their party.

PLD and DRK do bring a lot to the table, but it's still so obvious when you'd want to bring a WAR. If your comp contains RDM, you want a SMN and BRD to buff their magic, and a DRG to buff their melee (and BRD). This leaves nobody to put up slashing, except for the WAR. If you opt for double melee (NIN/SAM) you take DRK instead.

Something WAR does really well, and still continues to do will in 4.0, is pull. Having WAR MT at the start of a fight using unchained is almost always a DPS gain for the tank roles and eliminates any threat issues.

Finally. The real endgame isnt even out yet. Anyone who thinks they're able to determine the raid viability of any of the jobs using these EX primals as a baseline is an idiot. These EX primals are a joke.

[Tila]

PLD and DRK do bring a lot to the table, but it's still so obvious when you'd want to bring a WAR. If your comp contains RDM, you want a SMN and BRD to buff their magic, and a DRG to buff their melee (and BRD). This leaves nobody to put up slashing, except for the WAR. If you opt for double melee (NIN/SAM) you take DRK instead.

Something WAR does really well, and still continues to do will in 4.0, is pull. Having WAR MT at the start of a fight using unchained is almost always a DPS gain for the tank roles and eliminates any threat issues.

Finally. The real endgame isnt even out yet. Anyone who thinks they're able to determine the raid viability of any of the jobs using these EX primals as a baseline is an idiot. These EX primals are a joke.

The 2 slashing DPS bring the debuff as part of their baseline rotation (RDM is all magic damage, even their melee attacks). Which means the ONLY reason you would bring a WAR over a PLD/DRK would be so the PLD or DRK could have that slashing buff. They offer nothing other than a debuff that the classes that would benefit from it also bring.

So I'm not sure what your point is here.

[BluexBird]

Something WAR does really well, and still continues to do will in 4.0, is pull. Having WAR MT at the start of a fight using unchained is almost always a DPS gain for the tank roles and eliminates any threat issues.

Finally. The real endgame isnt even out yet. Anyone who thinks they're able to determine the raid viability of any of the jobs using these EX primals as a baseline is an idiot. These EX primals are a joke.

With Shirk, you really don't need a Warrior to build a lead in enmity anymore. But your last point was pretty valid. Maybe they'll give tanks a reason to wear VIT accessories and stay on tank stance during raids and end-game bosses.

[Baci]

Why would SE do that? Cause they did so in the past? Nope. Cause SE learns from their mistakes? Nope.

[Felorr]

The 2 slashing DPS bring the debuff as part of their baseline rotation (RDM is all magic damage, even their melee attacks). Which means the ONLY reason you would bring a WAR over a PLD/DRK would be so the PLD or DRK could have that slashing buff. They offer nothing other than a debuff that the classes that would benefit from it also bring.

So I'm not sure what your point is here.

I guess I was misinformed because I've been reading where some RDM attacks are considered piercing.

[Tila]

I guess I was misinformed because I've been reading where some RDM attacks are considered piercing.

Their unenchanted attacks melee skills are piercing.